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re: Let the "PROCESS" begin
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:01 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:01 am to RollTide1987
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No. Because we can actually win the national championship without our NFL players needing to win the SEC.
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Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:26 am to Riseupfromtherubble
I don't think there's any way to defend Bama's record on this one point.
I've played low-level football, and I've been on athletic committees at a small D1 level. College football has a huge business component, but it happens in the context of an educational institution.
I'm sure the faculty at Alabama would like to see the University honor its football scholarships for the duration.
I've played low-level football, and I've been on athletic committees at a small D1 level. College football has a huge business component, but it happens in the context of an educational institution.
I'm sure the faculty at Alabama would like to see the University honor its football scholarships for the duration.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:29 am to 167back
They just get their doctors to find a previously undiagnosed problem that renders the kid unable to play for Alabama anymore.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:35 am to beachreb61
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Wow. Y'all are a little touchy on this subject. Guess I'll leave it alone.
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You thought you'd be cute and post opinion and rumor as fact, got nailed on it, and now want to duck and hide.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:37 am to bona fide
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how many did vandy have in '09? '11?
None, as we played touch/flag football before the new coach showed up!
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:39 am to sarc
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Funny thing is, five other SEC schools signed more players than Bama from '06-'10 including Auburn. So if Bama can't defend its record, how does Auburn? LINK
I am not trying to get into this argument, but signing vs enroling and processing are two different things. Lots of schools signed a bunch, doesnt mean they stepped foot on campus so a coach could yank his scholly a year or so later.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:40 am to 228Tiger
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LSU leads the SEC in current NFL players
So we send more to the big leagues than bama
That make your jimmies rustle?
It seems to indicate that Saban's winning national titles with inferior talent.
I'm thinking it should be your jimmies rustling....
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:45 am to NYCAuburn
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I am not trying to get into this argument, but signing vs enroling and processing are two different things. Lots of schools signed a bunch, doesnt mean they stepped foot on campus so a coach could yank his scholly a year or so later
That's absolutely true, and not every player that Bama has signed was able to enroll either. But even if you compare attrition amongst players who did enroll, I'm pretty sure Auburn is right up there with Bama so not much room to talk.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:49 am to elvisleft
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I'm sure the faculty at Alabama would like to see the University honor its football scholarships for the duration.
So are academic scholarships guaranteed for 4 years now?
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:50 am to sarc
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But even if you compare attrition amongst players who did enroll, I'm pretty sure Auburn is right up there with Bama so not much room to talk.
Could be, not sure, but thats the true number to look at, while having this discussion. Also, the link you provided counts a few players twice for Auburn, I believe.
FTR, I dont care about processing. However, I think the NCAA needs to re-think their rules on players transfering to other schools as a result of them being "cut" from the team. If it didnt have any harm on the athlete(loss of years) then I dont think anyone would have grounds to stand on their soapbox
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:51 am to JustGetItRight
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It seems to indicate that Saban's winning national titles with inferior talent.
BINGO! Looks like Les really is doing Les with more!
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:53 am to VirgilCaine
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So are academic scholarships guaranteed for 4 years now?
Well according to the NCAA, they are "Student" Athletes, and they stress the student aspect first. So if they abide by all the rules, show up to practice, exceed on the academic aspect, they should be able to have some sort of guarantee that a scholly will be honored in some form
Posted on 1/10/13 at 8:59 am to NYCAuburn
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guarantee
I don't think this is the case. There's certainly a difference between academic and athletic scholarship, but nothing is guaranteed year over year.
Do y'all believe that UA is the only program in the country that does this? Would you be this passionate about your position if it were another school, your school?
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:00 am to NYCAuburn
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Also, the link you provided counts a few players twice for Auburn, I believe.
Same with Bama
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However, I think the NCAA needs to re-think their rules on players transfering to other schools as a result of them being "cut" from the team. If it didnt have any harm on the athlete(loss of years) then I dont think anyone would have grounds to stand on their soapbox
A few points:
1. I think it is very rare for a player to be cut (i.e. scholarship not renewed) for performance. Normally, it is suggested to the player that he might fit in better at a different insitution.
2. Starting with this year's signing class, pretty much every major school has pledged to issue 4 year scholarships instead of the 1 year renewable scholarships
3. The NCAA is considering changes to transfer restrictions:
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Athletes would still need to get permission to contact another school before transferring. But permission would be tied to practice and competition, not athletics aid. So even if permission was denied, the student-athlete would still be able to receive a scholarship.
Athletes who qualify for the transfer exemption in the APR would be permitted to play immediately at the new school. That would make a 2.600 GPA the magic number to play immediately.
Athletes who do not qualify to play immediately at the next school would still receive an extension of their five-year clock so they can use all their eligibility.
Tampering with an athlete by another school would be considered a severe breach of conduct, a Level I violation, the highest in the NCAA’s new enforcement structure.
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Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:03 am to VirgilCaine
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Do y'all believe that UA is the only program in the country that does this? Would you be this passionate about your position if it were another school, your school?
First off I think you have me confused with someone else
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There's certainly a difference between academic and athletic scholarship, but nothing is guaranteed year over year.
With academic, as long as you follow the requirements, which in the majority of the cases is, keep your GPA at a certain level, your scholly will remain. They dont take your scholly just because some incomming freshman is coming and they need another slot, even though you have done everything asked of you.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:07 am to sarc
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1. I think it is very rare for a player to be cut (i.e. scholarship not renewed) for performance. Normally, it is suggested to the player that he might fit in better at a different insitution.
yes and I will mention bama, just because there was an article written. They "cut" in order to make room for a new signee. The "fit better" somewhere else is mostly merely an excuse to let the player cope with their scholly not being renewed.
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Starting with this year's signing class, pretty much every major school has pledged to issue 4 year scholarships instead of the 1 year renewable scholarships
Actually a lot of schools are not issuing 4 years. I think it was pretty mixed
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3. The NCAA is considering changes to transfer restrictions:
Like I said before, this is the main concern
This post was edited on 1/10/13 at 9:09 am
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:12 am to NYCAuburn
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yes and I will mention bama, just because there was an article written. They "cut" in order to make room for a new signee. The "fit better" somewhere else is mostly merely an excuse to let the player cope with their scholly not being renewed
I doubt that. You're probably referring to Charlie Kirschman in the WSJ article. He got his bachelor's degree while on football scholarship and got a master's degree on medical scholarship. He also stated that it was his choice to take the medical scholarship even though he felt he could play (like Jarvis Jones at USC). If that's being "cut", I can live with it.
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:20 am to sarc
him and a few others. The three on the med scholly, said it was their decisions, but they felt pressured to make it. Also there were the players who were "cut" for rules violations, that stated they were unaware of any rules violations. Again, just stating this because thats whats out there. It happens at a lot of places. These cuts would be less likely if players werent screwed with the transfering limitations. its even worse when they are later on in their collegiate career(3rd years and up)
it would be interesting to see what reasoning was placed for a "cut" and correlate them to their year
it would be interesting to see what reasoning was placed for a "cut" and correlate them to their year
Posted on 1/10/13 at 9:25 am to NYCAuburn
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NYCAuburn
I wasn't targeting you, just a general question for anyone to respond to.
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