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Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:14 am to cave canem
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:14 am to cave canem
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Sept 12th I would fire every sob in the AD's office, this has been handled as poorly as possible and the penalties amplified by cover up almost as much as by the cheating, this could have already been over with.
OM removed a few of the cancer cells (Farrar/Freeze) but the root of the malignancy still festers in that Administration.
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:18 am to TSUNgummybear
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Well said. Especially on the Leo comments. The kid could have lied, he could have told the truth. This whole investigation has a whole lot more to it, other than one rival football player, and Ole Miss fans have put way too much weight on Leo.
I feel like the targeting of him was probably an unnecessary risk. As you say, it isn't going to change things much either way. But targeting a student athlete almost certainly rubbed people the wrong way.
As to whether or not he lied, I think the most likely answer is that he tried to answer truthfully. It's one of those situations where he really had nothing to gain from lying, and everything to lose, so I'm not sure why some think he did.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:18 am to cave canem
I can't argue with any of what you said. It's the truth. We have no one to blame outside of OM. We did this to ourselves and I still stand behind what I've always said, we tried to be Bama to quick. Meaning we tried to get all the big names out there with all the stars, and everyone tried to look at it like, oh he has a friend who goes there is why. I love my school, but come on, don't feed that bs. Stevie Wonder could see what was going on. I cant count the number of different ways our school, media, and whoever else tried leading us down all the different paths. It was and is embarrassing. And before, in the other post I admitted long ago I could see it, but just tried to enjoy it while it lasted. And now for all of us that did, we have to take, without any excuses what we get.
And also after all the cheating, without looking up the stats, our W/L record is still close to MSU over that period.
And also after all the cheating, without looking up the stats, our W/L record is still close to MSU over that period.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:30 am to Rebelatheart42
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we tried to be Bama to quick.
We will have to disagree on this one, IMHO the cheating originally started after Mullen proclaimed "we will never lose to this team again" and meant it. Most boosters were fine with loosing to Bama et all, however a long losing streak to MooU was untenable.
Mullen got OM put on probation, just not in the manner the OM blogosphere is portraying it.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:32 am to bamasgot13
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I'm curious. To what do you attribute this cause for positivity? Are you just a positive person by nature, or is there some thing/reason you feel positive about OM's situation with the NCAA?
BC it's possible the NCAA COI spares the current Ole Miss program (and Leo Lewis) and just hammers Freeze/Barney.
"Spares" meaning no multi-year bowl ban and transfers. As of now, Ole Miss hopes they just tack on additional scholarships.
The reduction of scholarships is still a big blow bc Ole Miss won't be able to compete for titles most likely, but at the recovery is manageable and on a shorter timetable.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:39 am to TMRebel
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Pretty sure we're all just happy it's almost over.
Nope, this doesn't end when COI announces Ole Miss punishment in Nov/Dec.
OM WILL appeal. Take it to the bank. They WILL continue to blame Leo & MSU, no matter what.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:43 am to cave canem
Oh I don't deny what you're saying, I may have worded it wrong. I all along have meant that as to be, trying to be the big dog in the SEC to fast and quick. You don't go from low rated classes and barely bowling that quick without something not adding up. Well you could say the money kept adding up. To much to quick.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:43 am to bamasgot13
Ole Miss will be on hand to view the pictures of STD's hosted by unregulated sex workers that were passed on to their players. These pictures will be displayed on the jumbotrons at VHS. Free cheese pizza, and chili rellenos will be offered to those in attendance.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:51 am to Billy Mays
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BC it's possible the NCAA COI spares the current Ole Miss program (and Leo Lewis) and just hammers Freeze/Barney.
It's possible, just extraordinarily unlikely. The NCAA punishes schools. Sometimes after the culprit has long-since left. Also, you say this as though OM was proactive in getting rid of Farrar and Freeze, which couldn't be further from the truth.
The Tunsil text situation came out in April and Farrar was never fired, he just didn't have his contract renewed. That was after the season in Decemeber, a full 8 months after it was clear he was in the cross-hairs.
Freeze would still be the coach today if it weren't for the Houston Nutt lawsuit. OM had no plans on firing him, and in fact rallied behind him.
It's very likely that OM gets LOIC. At that point, the NCAA will come down on the school extremely hard. It's going to be bad, and this is just one man's opinion, but much worse than what's been self-imposed.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:59 am to Rebelatheart42
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My whole thing about Leo is if he told the truth or not, we still have plenty more infractions to deal with. So no matter if his is thrown out, it's not going to be that much easier. I think alot of people are getting over concerned with him. This is not going to be fun or easy. But at the end of everything, I will still be supporting the "team/players".
Finally and Ole Miss fan that actually gets it! Well done sir!
Posted on 9/8/17 at 12:11 pm to Billy Mays
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I'm curious. To what do you attribute this cause for positivity? Are you just a positive person by nature, or is there some thing/reason you feel positive about OM's situation with the NCAA?
BC it's possible the NCAA COI spares the current Ole Miss program (and Leo Lewis) and just hammers Freeze/Barney.
"Spares" meaning no multi-year bowl ban and transfers. As of now, Ole Miss hopes they just tack on additional scholarships.
The reduction of scholarships is still a big blow bc Ole Miss won't be able to compete for titles most likely, but at the recovery is manageable and on a shorter timetable.
I actually don think they'll add another year bowl ban. Just schollies.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:38 pm to SouthOfHere
My only reason for believing like you is that is a lot of money that will be left on the table if we do have another tacked on. Ole Miss is already lost up to somewhere around $11 MM if I recall correctly, having another loss of the $7.35 MM would be insane. But they definitely fining us for some more millions though.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:47 pm to BiscuitEater
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OM WILL appeal.
THIS. Of course Ole Miss will appeal, and drag this stupid shite out longer. Who knows, the way Ole Miss has handled all this, they'll appeal, get rejected, then sue, and make this a 10 year ordeal.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 1:47 pm to Billy Mays
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Ole Miss won't be able to compete for titles most likely
You think?
Y'all haven't competed for a championship since my Dad was a pre-teen....and I'm 40!
Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:27 pm to TSUNgummybear
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THIS. Of course Ole Miss will appeal, and drag this stupid shite out longer. Who knows, the way Ole Miss has handled all this, they'll appeal, get rejected, then sue, and make this a 10 year ordeal.
This is what would drive me crazy as a Rebel fan, they are effectively being punished prior to actually accepting their punishment and Bork is happy to string it out more by all appearances.
Instead of cleaning house asap and self imposing reasonable sanctions this is being turned into death by a thousand cuts and the penalties have still not been handed out, OM will lose at least two classes so far and receive no credit for it.
That entire AD would have to go as they have been proven worse than inept.
Perhaps Bork is doing this because he knows no one else will ever hire him after this and his previous stops all ended with schools getting disciplined.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:28 pm to TSUNgummybear
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THIS. Of course Ole Miss will appeal,
Of course
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nd drag this stupid shite out longer.
not really
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, the way Ole Miss has handled all this, they'll appeal, get rejected, then sue,
Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:33 pm to NYCAuburn
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then sue
I'd bet a healthy sum of money that Ole Miss won't sue.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:49 pm to UAtide11
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It's possible, just extraordinarily unlikely.
I didn't say it was likely, only possible.
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The Tunsil text situation came out in April and Farrar was never fired, he just didn't have his contract renewed. That was after the season in Decemeber, a full 8 months after it was clear he was in the cross-hairs. Freeze would still be the coach today if it weren't for the Houston Nutt lawsuit. OM had no plans on firing him, and in fact rallied behind him.
The crux of investigation is about academic fraud (1st NOA) and Leo Lewis (2nd NOA). Ole Miss is refuting the Leo allegations and self-imposed penalties bc of the academic fraud. They supported Freeze bc they think they can convince the COI that the Leo stuff is BS and Barney went rouge.
I understand you and everyone else wants Ole Miss to get popped hard and be less competitive as a result. Maybe Ole Miss deserves it? I'm just stating the possibility the the COI grants them leniency at the expense of Barney and Freeze.
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It's very likely that OM gets LOIC.
The investigators painted the picture for LOIC, yes, but that doesn't mean the COI will agree. This isn't a rubber stamp scenario.
If I had to guess they will get either a 2-year bowl ban (huge punishment) or a bunch of additional scholarships (lesser punishment) but nobody knows a gotdayum thing at this point.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:50 pm to Billy Mays
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Ole Miss is refuting the Leo allegations
No they're not
Posted on 9/8/17 at 2:52 pm to Vecchio Cane
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No they're not
Parts of it. They admitted to the booster contact, but they are contesting most of it.
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