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re: Leonard Fournette vs. Bama
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:19 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:19 pm to UpToPar
He also dominated multiple huge regular season games, an SEC title game and a national championship game.
He's the one guy on a team that gets talked about nonstop that seems to never get talked about unless it's in the context of which guy is gonna take his job. It's just weird. Probably has to do with the fumbles and his demeanor i guess.
He's the one guy on a team that gets talked about nonstop that seems to never get talked about unless it's in the context of which guy is gonna take his job. It's just weird. Probably has to do with the fumbles and his demeanor i guess.
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:19 pm to JaxTiger10
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Did you just compare LF'S talent to Ridley and Ware?
For the record, I was specifically talking about the shelf life of LSU running backs who take a lot of contact because of their running styles.
And yes, I compared Fournette to those guys. There is nothing wrong with that. Ridley is now a 4-year NFL vet. Fournette would only be so lucky. Spencer Ware, Charles Scott, Keiland Williams, and a plethora of other RBs who had great college careers agree.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:20 pm to JaxTiger10
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I don't know if LF Will be as good as AP in the NFL but he has all physical talent to do so.
AP is a lot faster than LF. State champ or not. AP is a legit 4.4 guy, while Fournette is around 4.55 or so.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:20 pm to JaxTiger10
Jax are you serious? Have you watched Yeldon make cuts?
Come on man, LF is a great back with tons of impressive traits, but Yeldon's vision and feet are incredible .
Come on man, LF is a great back with tons of impressive traits, but Yeldon's vision and feet are incredible .
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:21 pm to stat19
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No. He's a good back, but he's not BJ, HW, Gurley or the like. He'll be serviceable and will probably get drafted 3-6 round and play 3-4 years.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:22 pm to TxTiger82
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And yes, I compared Fournette to those guys. There is nothing wrong with that. Ridley is now a 4-year NFL vet. Fournette would only be so lucky. Spencer Ware, Charles Scott, Keiland Williams, and a plethora of other RBs who had great college careers agree.
Talent wise, none of these guys compare to LF. I don't think you realize how rare it is to be 230 lbs and run a 10.6 in the 100 meter dash. It's doesn't happen.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:23 pm to geauxbrown
LF is currently handicapped by LSU's pitiful passing game.
He'd be more of a threat if opponents had to respect LSU's passing game.
He'd be more of a threat if opponents had to respect LSU's passing game.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Jax are you serious? Have you watched Yeldon make cuts?
Yeldon is a lot shiftier. Leonard is a really big target and mostly tries to run over people. He does have good lateral quickness, as Jax mentioned, but that doesn't make him as elusive as Yeldon.
Yeldon's running style is just really compact. His strides are short and his feet are always underneath him. It gives him great shiftiness and that's the reason why he always seems to pick up an extra 2-3 yards when it looks like he's bottled up.
As I said - the guy's got 3rd down written all over him. Will be an excellent addition to almost any NFL backfield.
Disclaimer I am a huge LF supporter and I've been defending him from day one on this board.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:25 pm to JaxTiger10
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Talent wise, none of these guys compare to LF. I don't think you realize how rare it is to be 230 lbs and run a 10.6 in the 100 meter dash. It's doesn't happen.
I agree but that is irrelevant to the subject at hand, which is the shelf life of running backs who take contact.
It doesn't matter how much "talent" you have. The human body can only take so many hits, even without major injuries. The question wasn't whether Leonard Fournette is more talented as Steven Ridley. The question is whether he would last as long.
Didn't realize I needed to explain myself so crystal clear but there you go. Can I clarify anything else for you?
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:26 pm to TxTiger82
Yep - agree - totally different runners, which is why I was saying they would all be featured in their own way in Alabama offense.
LF is a heckuva talent. Would love to have that guy.
LF is a heckuva talent. Would love to have that guy.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:27 pm to geauxbrown
He will be a great back as was Hill, Ridley and a All of the other great backs lsu had had. None of them fare greatly against Bama since Saban's arrival but that is because he has this team built to stop that type of team. His performance against Bama is not indicative of how good he really is. No one runs the ball well against us including Alex Collins but it doesn't diminish how good both guys really are.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:LF'S lateral quickness is better. Cam Robinson may be the best online man the state of Louisiana has ever produced when it's all said and done and he was behind LF in the states to recruits.
Jax are you serious? Have you watched Yeldon make cuts?
LF'S physical talents are off the charts. There is reason he was compared to AP. I'm not saying Yeldon isn't a good back but like I said earlier he doesn't run behind his pads and he fumbles at the worst possible times. Also, let's be honest we don't really know how great Yeldons vision is when you have the online Bama has had up until this year.
And maybe Yeldon will end up being a great back in the nfl, maybe better than LF, but pure physical talent, the two aren't close.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:31 pm to JaxTiger10
Ok man
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:31 pm to geauxbrown
Fournette is extremely quick hitting the hole - kind of like Kenyan Drake. However, he is also very big and strong, so an arm tackle does little to slow him down.
I think there were times that he blew right past our defensive line, and then his strength got him more.
I am surprised that he is not a guy with numerous long runs. Perhaps he just has no vision once he hits the secondary.
I think there were times that he blew right past our defensive line, and then his strength got him more.
I am surprised that he is not a guy with numerous long runs. Perhaps he just has no vision once he hits the secondary.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:34 pm to TxTiger82
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It doesn't matter how much "talent" you have. The human body can only take so many hits, even without major injuries. The question wasn't whether Leonard Fournette is more talented as Steven Ridley. The question is whether he would last as long.
I think the point is that the guys you have listed with the exception of Ridely have faded out and have had short NFL careers because they just didn't have the talent. Yes, they got hurt, but they also didn't have to talent to cut it in the NFL. For as many Spencer Wares, you have guys like Dominick Davis, Kevin Faulk, Joseph Addais.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:35 pm to TxTiger82
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agree but that is irrelevant to the subject at hand, which is the shelf life of running backs who take contact.
LF usually is dishing out the contact. I guess you haven't noticed him spinning out of contact or running passed contact either.
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doesn't matter how much "talent" you have. The human body can only take so many hits, even without major injuries. The question wasn't whether Leonard Fournette is more talented as Steven Ridley. The question is whether he would last as long.
Ridley garnered more contact than LF does because he lacked the speed and agility to run around people.steven Ridley rarely juked anyone. LF isn't just a power back. I'm sure he'll play in the nfl until he is 29 -30 and then go downhill just like most RBs in the nfl.
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Didn't realize I needed to explain myself so crystal clear but there you go. Can I clarify anything else for you?
You used two power backs at lsu that almost always had to try an run over people because of the lack of elite speed and compared their running style to LF. LF can and does run around and juke people. That's not to say he won't lower his head but he isn't a 230 lb battering ram like Ware, Hilliard and Rid.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:41 pm to UpToPar
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I think the point is that the guys you have listed with the exception of Ridely have faded out and have had short NFL careers because they just didn't have the talent. Yes, they got hurt, but they also didn't have to talent to cut it in the NFL. For as many Spencer Wares, you have guys like Dominick Davis, Kevin Faulk, Joseph Addais.
Well it is hard to know, honestly. Lack of talent? Or wear and tear? My fundamental assumption is that the law of averages suggests that bad things happen to talented players. And the average career span of an NFL RB is what? 3-4 years? The important variable to consider here is not "talent" but rather "role."
Joseph Addai and Kevin Faulk actually serve as instructive examples.
Addai is a player who the Colts relied on, quite heavily, for 4 years. He had more than 200 carries in 3 of those 4 years. Addai then fizzled with the Colts. His carries were cut in half and other, less talented, backs passed him up (come on, Donald Brown?). And last we heard of Addai, he pretty much walked out on a Patriots physical because he was hurt. Addai quit after a six year career because it was too much on his body.
Kevin Faulk, meanwhile, had a 13 year career, never carrying the ball more than 200 times in a single season. I realize he caught a lot of passes, too, and those hits count. But in most seasons, Faulk took between 45 and 75 carries - total.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:45 pm to JaxTiger10
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LF usually is dishing out the contact.
Do you think this really makes a different, over time, on the human body? If so, I disagree.
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Ridley garnered more contact than LF does because he lacked the speed and agility to run around people.
Not sure how that helps your case. They took a similar amount of contact. Arguably, Ridley took less because he typically avoided it at the last second. He was pretty shifty for a big guy.
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LF isn't just a power back. I'm sure he'll play in the nfl until he is 29 -30
How can you be sure? He'd be defying the average at that point? Sure, he has the talent. But can he hold up?
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LF can and does run around and juke people.
He mostly tries to run over people. Sure he has some moves. But he seems to invite the contact.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:47 pm to geauxbrown
Hes improving every game and is still young, barring injury, he will be a beast in the future.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:49 pm to TxTiger82
I think the points you are making are valid points, but I think a guy with the skill set fournette has will learn to avoid contact and save those hits similar to what a lot of the dual threat QBs are doing in the NFL.
Right now, the kid just loves to play football and wants to hit someone. As time goes and he matures, he will learn when he needs to put his head down for an extra couple yards and when he should step out of bounds or shift one way or the other to avoid the big collision.
Right now, the kid just loves to play football and wants to hit someone. As time goes and he matures, he will learn when he needs to put his head down for an extra couple yards and when he should step out of bounds or shift one way or the other to avoid the big collision.
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