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re: Leo Lewis $10,000 story is jacked up
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:00 pm to HottyToddy7
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:00 pm to HottyToddy7
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Or he had to account for how he got 10K and decided to throw it on OM instead of where it really came from.
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:00 pm to StopRobot
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You think the NCAA needs corroboration of an allegation for them to use it against you. That is so cute!
No, but if you said Auburn gave you 10K and are asked how it went down on two separate occasions. And on those 2 occasions your story doesn't match. Then later both stories are found to not even be plausible it most likely won't stick.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:00 pm to HottyToddy7
I don't think that alone would get you LOIC. You're still in a very bad situation
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:07 pm to HottyToddy7
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gave you 10K and are asked how it went down on two separate occasions. And on those 2 occasions your story doesn't match. Then later both stories are found to not even be plausible it most likely won't stick.
IF both of those points are/were true, then I doubt the NCAA would have put it in the NOA. They obviously found it to be plausible and/or true or they'd have left it out.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:08 pm to bamasgot13
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IF both of those points are/were true, then I doubt the NCAA would have put it in the NOA. They obviously found it to be plausible and/or true or they'd have left it out.
Or they opened it back up based on draft night and couldn't find anything and panicked. These investigators are working for their livelihood and don't want to lose.
What looks worse?
Having nothing on Tunsil and going back empty handed
or
Taking the work of a recruit that is shaky at best, putting it in the NOA and getting public opinion on your side.
We will find out in 3 months.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:10 pm to HottyToddy7
quote:Freeze preached and educated every member of his staff, every active player and every recruiter to do things the right way and in compliance of NCAA rules. That doesn't change the fact that he failed to monitor the very people he educated and preached the rules to.... He either knew what was going on and turned a blind eye, or he lacked the necessary fundamentals of doing one of the most important parts of this job which is the oversight of the very people that work for him.
This is uninformed bull shite. The argument against the LOIC is that Freeze and the university went above and beyond to comply with NCAA regulations. If you educated and tell boosters about the rules over and over again, and they decide to break them, what more could Freeze do? Yes the University should get punished but you can't punish Freeze who did all he could just because of the number of violations, while he complied above and beyond with every compliance and preventive measure the NCAA had.
When you are responsible for the actions of your coaches you have to have an inkling that something fishy is going on when over 3 dozen student-athletes are tagged in an NCAA investigation. You can't claim ignorance when over half of your staff are pegged by the NCAA to have broke recruiting rules.
It's not just the dozen Level 1's, there are excessive Level 2's involved in the case. There's no way the Institution had any semblance of Control of Athletics. And Bjork should shoulder a large part of the blame as well IMO.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:11 pm to HottyToddy7
They have an admission of guilt. That's all they need
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:14 pm to HottyToddy7
The timeline of Leo's claim that a booster met him after school with a bag of cash doesn't match up. He was in his office 40 minutes after the alleged meet-up which is a 75 minute drive away from the alleged drop-off point.
And the alleged free merchandise given to Leo on his visit by Rebel Rags doesn't match up with any other witness statements during that visit. Leo told the NCAA that he gave the merchandise to his friends and the NCAA has yet to be able to contact those friends. Kobe Jones(who Rebel Rags is also accused of giving improper benefits to) admitted to the NCAA that the only two items he received from Rebel Rags had been purchased by himself.
So yes....The Leo Lewis saga of our amended NOA(which is basically the entire thing) is pretty fricking sideways right now.
And the alleged free merchandise given to Leo on his visit by Rebel Rags doesn't match up with any other witness statements during that visit. Leo told the NCAA that he gave the merchandise to his friends and the NCAA has yet to be able to contact those friends. Kobe Jones(who Rebel Rags is also accused of giving improper benefits to) admitted to the NCAA that the only two items he received from Rebel Rags had been purchased by himself.
So yes....The Leo Lewis saga of our amended NOA(which is basically the entire thing) is pretty fricking sideways right now.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:14 pm to RT1941
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When you are responsible for the actions of your coaches you have to have an inkling that something fishy is going on when over 3 dozen student-athletes are tagged in an NCAA investigation. You can't claim ignorance when over half of your staff are pegged by the NCAA to have broke recruiting rules.
It's not just the dozen Level 1's, there are excessive Level 2's involved in the case. There's no way the Institution had any semblance of Control of Athletics. And Bjork should shoulder a large part of the blame as well IMO.
That isn't the argument.
The argument is that you can't set the precedent that you hold head coaches responsible for boosters and rouge coaches that blatantly break the rules. If Saban preaches compliance, has meetings and tells boosters and coaches to not do it, then they do it, that means he would get failure to monitor.
The argument is that Freeze did everything he could. He followed NCAA guidelines and shouldn't be blamed for people who knew the rules and decided to break them. That doesn't mean the University and that booster/coach shouldn't be. It just shouldn't fall on the head coach.
That is like your kids robbing a bank. You taught them not to rob a bank. But you get sent to jail because the kids didn't listen and did their own thing.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:17 pm to HottyToddy7
Sure, but in y'alls case, the parents drove the get away car to save their kids. Still fricked
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:18 pm to BobLeeDagger
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Sure, but in y'alls case, the parents drove the get away car to save their kids. Still fricked
Show me what you mean. In the NOA.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:18 pm to HottyToddy7
So is Ole Miss fricked or not?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:20 pm to HottyToddy7
Ok. I reviewed. They are disputing the payment. They just didn't dispute that a staff member got Lewis and 2 boosters together. Well it does seem logical that they only got together to discuss the weather... fishing... and the meaning of life.
What ole miss fans are hanging onto here is "they can't prove nuttin". But you are forgetting.. dealing with the NCAA is not like US District Court. Dealing with the NCAA is like going to traffic court. Ole Miss has also brought the "my speedometer was broken" defense to said traffic court.
What ole miss fans are hanging onto here is "they can't prove nuttin". But you are forgetting.. dealing with the NCAA is not like US District Court. Dealing with the NCAA is like going to traffic court. Ole Miss has also brought the "my speedometer was broken" defense to said traffic court.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:20 pm to Elleshoe
There is a path where 20 over 4 and 1 year bowl ban is the end of this. I didn't know if that was possible before today but, yes I feel much better today than I did in February.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:20 pm to HottyToddy7
Article 55 Section 20
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:20 pm to HottyToddy7
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It just shouldn't fall on the head coach
That's just an opinion. Ultimately it will fall on the head coach.
You can't just blame it on rouge coaches and boosters and it expect everyone to take your word for it. That's not how it works
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:21 pm to HottyToddy7
I get your angle HottyToddy, I really do. I just don't see how rampant indiscretions that took place while under investigation could continue to occur under Hugh's nose and him not be held accountable. Some of the allegations were aggravated in nature when the same booster and coaches just kept on doing their thing with no care whatsoever.
Hell, I don't see how/why Ole Miss or your fan base would want Freeze to continue to run that program in light of the fact that you are about to get hit hard with penalties. A large portion of this shitstorm happened under his watch. Is he capable of steering this thing through the rough seas ahead when he will have a severely reduced roster and strict recruiting privileges?
Hell, I don't see how/why Ole Miss or your fan base would want Freeze to continue to run that program in light of the fact that you are about to get hit hard with penalties. A large portion of this shitstorm happened under his watch. Is he capable of steering this thing through the rough seas ahead when he will have a severely reduced roster and strict recruiting privileges?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:21 pm to HottyToddy7
Didn't y'all self impose a 2 year ban?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:21 pm to BobLeeDagger
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Article 55 Section 20
You are a potato. GFY.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:21 pm to Elleshoe
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Didn't y'all self impose a 2 year ban?
No, 1 year.
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