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re: Kiehl Frazier v. Brandon Allen. Who has the better career?
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:20 pm to TheCheshireHog
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:20 pm to TheCheshireHog
I have no idea how Brandon Allen looks, but I think he'll have the better career if Keihl Frazier is forced into action the way Kodi Burns was his freshman year. Fans and media put enough pressure on Tubs and his staff to replace Brandon Cox with Kodi in 2007 and it backfired. Not having a year to redshirt was the eventual end of Kodi Burns as a QB. Having said that, if Chizik can resist the urge to burn Frazier's redshirt after Auburn loses to Miss. St., then, Frazier has a great chance of becoming the barns next great QB for a few years. Especially considering, in 2012 he'll be learning an entirely new offense after the departure of Gus Malzahn.
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Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:21 pm to flomacanes
quote:That was only part of the problem. The other problem is that it was Tubbs and his staff running the offense and coaching the QBs.
Fans and media put enough pressure on Tubs and his staff to replace Brandon Cox with Kodi in 2007
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:22 pm to Choctaw Hog
No offense, but we all heard the same exact thing about Dyer.. Then he comes in a rushes for more than 1,000 yards as a true Freshman in the SEC. And he also won BCSNCG MVP.. I think Kiehl will do fine when he finally takes over as the starter (which could be halfway through this season). I'm excited about 2012 and 2013.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:25 pm to WDE24
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The other problem is that it was Tubbs and his staff running the offense and coaching the QBs.
You're right there, Borges had lost his touch by then.
I don't think you can compare RB to QB when you're talking about coming in and starting or carrying the load as a true freshman. Just too much apples and oranges
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:27 pm to flomacanes
I don't think Malzahn could've turned Kodi into an SEC caliber quarterback. There's a reason Chris Todd and Brandon Cox started over him (and they both sucked). Everytime Kodi touches the ball and tries to throw, I cringe.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:27 pm to flomacanes
quote:I totally agree. I think Frazier would benefit from a redshirt year, but I wouldn't mind him being thrown into the fire and learning through a down year either. He can take his lumps and learn from his mistakes and be better for it next season.
I don't think you can compare RB to QB when you're talking about coming in and starting or carrying the load as a true freshman. Just too much apples and oranges
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:36 pm to TTsTowel
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No offense, but we all heard the same exact thing about Dyer.. Then he comes in a rushes for more than 1,000 yards as a true Freshman in the SEC. And he also won BCSNCG MVP..
TR Fr. as far as experience not age, big difference. I do think Dyer is a talent, though I won't be surprised if he has a sophomore slump.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:36 pm to WDE24
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WDE24
I totally agree. I think Frazier would benefit from a redshirt year, but I wouldn't mind him being thrown into the fire and learning through a down year either. He can take his lumps and learn from his mistakes and be better for it next season.
I can agree with that. As long as he's not the starting QB and therefore receiving all the blame or all the praise in his freshman year, he'll be fine.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:38 pm to HogBoxer
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though I won't be surprised if he has a sophomore slump.
If a sophomore slump does occur, it will be because of the inexperienced O-Line and not because of Dyer's talent.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:41 pm to webbgem
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If a sophomore slump does occur, it will be because of the inexperienced O-Line and not because of Dyer's talent.
This. I think Dyer will get his this year, though.. I hope we pound the ball with him. I still think Knile ends up with more yards.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:42 pm to webbgem
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If a sophomore slump does occur, it will be because of the inexperienced O-Line and not because of Dyer's talent.
Agreed, I should have specified that, but kind of did by saying I think he is a talent.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:52 pm to TTsTowel
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No offense, but we all heard the same exact thing about Dyer..
Well to be fair to Choctaw, Frazier plays at an even lower level in Arkansas than Dyer did.
Personally, I don't think it matters. Frazier has been groomed to run Malzahn's offense. He already knows the terminology and a small part of the playbook. Once he gets adjusted to the speed of the game then the sky is the limit.
I just don't see him having the same impact in the ground game however as Cam and that's were I think his high school stats were misleading. He was running past guys like me playing CB and Safety believe me I'm that I'm not even trying to act like I'm fast.
I think those numbers will come back in college a but just because he won't be the fastest players hands down on the field anymore and he doesn't have the physicality of Newton or Dyer to run over people. This post was edited on 7/6/11 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 7/6/11 at 3:56 pm to TTsTowel
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his. I think Dyer will get his this year, though.. I hope we pound the ball with him. I still think Knile ends up with more yards.
I certainly think Auburn can run the ball with this years o line, but if they don't learn to pass block and teams start stacking the box daring trotter to win the games with his arm (what is most likely going to happen this year), then dyer's numbers are going to suffer.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 4:19 pm to TTsTowel
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No offense, but we all heard the same exact thing about Dyer
No offense taken and I didn't state that Fraizer wasn't good or didn’t have the chance to be good in college. I was just pointing out that you can't put too much emphasis on Fraizer’s numbers because of the competition he played. As a whole, it was very, very poor.
As far as Dyer goes I don’t think the main argument was that he wasn’t good, at least that wasn’t my argument, but that his upside was not as good as the running backs Arkansas already had because if his age and physical maturity. Dyer is a full year older than Knile Davis and the same age Ronnie Wingo. If Dyer has a great year this year, I’ll be the first to admit that I was wrong about him coming out of high school. But let’s see how he does this year to see if my theory pans out of not.
This post was edited on 7/6/11 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 7/6/11 at 4:40 pm to WDE24
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I totally agree. I think Frazier would benefit from a redshirt year, but I wouldn't mind him being thrown into the fire and learning through a down year either. He can take his lumps and learn from his mistakes and be better for it next season.
Trotter will start this year with Mosley second on the depth chart.
Frazier will not play a down in our season unless both get hurt.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 5:03 pm to LanierSpots
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Frazier will not play a down in our season unless both get hurt.
I agree but if he does, Auburn is in trouble. I think the same thing about Brandon Allen and the Hogs.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 5:07 pm to LanierSpots
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Frazier will not play a down in our season unless both get hurt.
I disagree. I think we slowly ease Frazier into the starting lineup like Tennessee did with Bray. I think he plays some mop up duty early, and maybe even some against a few of the better teams, and then let him start around the Ole Miss game. I'd rather a partially experienced QB going into 2012, because every other position will be experienced and ready to win the SEC again
Posted on 7/6/11 at 6:08 pm to TTsTowel
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No offense, but we all heard the same exact thing about Dyer
List all the RB's over the years that have came in and was a instant impact guy.
Now list all the QB's.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 6:10 pm to TheCheshireHog
not reading this thread but I figured this would be a big bitching thread.
If frazier went to arkansas, arkansas fans would say hes better.
If Allen went to auburn, auburn fans would say hes better.
If frazier went to arkansas, arkansas fans would say hes better.
If Allen went to auburn, auburn fans would say hes better.
Posted on 7/6/11 at 6:11 pm to pioneerbasketball
It's not, really.
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not reading this thread but I figured this would be a big bitching thread.
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