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re: Johnny Manziel Suspended First Half Against Rice (NOW OFFICIAL)

Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:02 pm to
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38380 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:02 pm to
Pay him no mind. He knows what's in store, but he's built up a persona around here that he must hold up. Crawfish season starts September 14th, round 5 o'clock
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19220 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:02 pm to
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That honestly shouldn't even be an issue for the NCAA as scandalous as it would be for CFB. Fans are going to watch CFB regardless of who is playing and it's a sign of just how disconnected Conference leaders and NCAA 'investigators' truly are from fan bases that they likely feared the outcome would turn fans away from the game BUT part of the appeal of CFB over the pro game is the notion of less corruption and more innocence in comparison to the Pros. It also shows a total lack of creative thinking by the NCAA -- it's not like they'd have to give a program the death penalty or do much more than suspend a player for a season and those good enough to be a part of a broker client list are likely at top programs who are going to make the draft. Sure coming down would hurt and change the football landscape to some degree but only for an extremely short period of time and schools, particularly the schools that are traditional powerhouses, would simply reload and move on and so would their fans. I think this is especially true if it were to hit multiple schools at once as then there's no one to make into a pariah and the conferences, NCAA, and coaches could turn around and pat themselves on the back for 'cleaning up college football.' And for our conference, even the worst SEC player is good enough to play at just about every other school UNLESS that school is a powerhouse. This allegation, OTOH, indicts everyone -- all of CFB -- whether they abided by the rules or not. And is a big fat black eye to the SEC despite not really deserving it and Manziel and Manziel State being brand-spanking-new in the SEC (so new even a superficial argument against us is a joke but that will hardly matter). I defended A&M against TexAss trolls when they decided to join the SEC, always though they'd be better than expected (though not as good as last year) and very much enjoyed watching Manziel playing against BAMA and pulling off a win. It was exciting to watch him and I have a natural love for underdogs. I have no axe to grind save for wanting to protect CFB in general. However, that kind of call is wrong on so many levels it's pathetic. Manziel like every other player IS replaceable. And while this may be what the SEC wants, what ESPN wants (despite the games) and what the school and Coach Sumlin want. It's not good for any of us in the long run. It would've been less damaging to clear him completely if they were scared of this and far better for CFB if the NCAA took their lumps in order to 'clean up CFB.' They wouldn't even have to actually do any cleaning beyond the superficial. So congrats Aggies. Howevwer, I simply can't see client-list blackmail as a good thing for anyone in the long run let alone the NCAA/CFB. Even Manziel and Manziel State will live with the stigma for years due to such a weak punishment as will the SEC and all programs that are a part of big time college football.


Aggressor, is that your alter?
Posted by bamakat
anniston, al
Member since Nov 2010
1684 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:10 pm to
Did not read whole post too long. I guess you would have defended OJ too. He got away with it so move on.
Posted by Marty McFrat
Arkansas hell
Member since Feb 2011
14827 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:44 pm to
So he didn't do anything wrong, why is he suspended...
Posted by MrBiriwa
Biriwa,OH
Member since Nov 2010
7116 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:46 pm to
Much how the NCAA left the door open for new evidence to appear in the Cam Newton saga...they have left the door open in the Manziel saga. I wonder if Danny Sheridan has the secret tapes on Manziel? lol.

If Im Clowney....Im calling brokers right now. Cash only tho...no cameras....set that up Uncle Nate!
Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
Member since Dec 2012
27232 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:49 pm to
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If Im Clowney....Im calling brokers right now. Cash only tho...no cameras....set that up Uncle Nate!


Clowney has already signed a shite ton of stuff. He's just glad the NCAA hasn't been sniffing around.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58099 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:50 pm to
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you sure do know how to shite on a thread. out of the many awful A&M posters, you might just be the worst




Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80379 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:50 pm to
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So he didn't do anything wrong, why is he suspended...


Maybe to force other schools to follow suit now that a precedent has been set?

Manziel wasn't the only player involved with that broker...
Posted by AginAL
Member since Dec 2010
1378 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:52 pm to
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So he didn't do anything wrong, why is he suspended...


Wording from NCAA is that he knowingly put himself in a "shady" situation wherin "someone" would profit $$ from his mass autographs. They have no proof "someone" was JFF. However - kinda like being punished for going to a brothel. I didn't engage but I was there.
Posted by bamakat
anniston, al
Member since Nov 2010
1684 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:57 pm to
He is a lieing douche and everyone knows it. Why do A&M fan keep acting like he is innocent. What a joke. Why not just say "Glad they could not prove it" and move on insted of acting like he is the next coming? He is a liar and a douche who does not even care about you school.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80379 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 9:58 pm to
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He is a lieing douche and everyone knows it. Why do A&M fan keep acting like he is innocent. What a joke. Why not just say "Glad they could not prove it" and move on insted of acting like he is the next coming? He is a liar and a douche who does not even care about you school.


Sounds like Trent Richardson in 2011, amirite?
Posted by AginAL
Member since Dec 2010
1378 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:04 pm to
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He is a lieing douche and everyone knows it. Why do A&M fan keep acting like he is innocent. What a joke. Why not just say "Glad they could not prove it" and move on insted of acting like he is the next coming? He is a liar and a douche who does not even care about you school.


What? Incoherent paragraph and logic. Great post.
Posted by Sabreman
New Braunfels
Member since Nov 2010
63 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:07 pm to
NCAA was on thin ice here. Half a game suspension was a face-saving measure for them that is, frankly, embarrassing. Had they gone after Manziel hard for the autograph scheme, his family, being litigious sorts, would've gone to court. And the NCAA may well have lost. The NCAA's under a lot of pressure right now for their tin can-and-string rules in this wi-fi age, and couldn't risk the complete emasculation of the organization.

I don't think anyone here expected Manziel to miss the Bama game, but a full game suspension seemed reasonable, and two games was not out of the question. But half a game? This just shows how weak a hand the NCAA had.

I'm not bragging or gloating. I'll miss Manziel's talent next year, but not his circus. But this whole episode just goes to show what a mess the NCAA is right now. It's going to take some serious reform to clean it up and make it relevant again.
Posted by bamakat
anniston, al
Member since Nov 2010
1684 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:09 pm to
Trent is on the sidelines at our games. I bet good ole Johnny will never step foot in college station once he leaves. Touche
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
15913 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:10 pm to
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Sounds like Trent Richardson in 2011, amirite?



wut?
Posted by bamakat
anniston, al
Member since Nov 2010
1684 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:18 pm to
He ofcourse did not say what Trent's alleged allogations were. lol
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80379 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:20 pm to
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I bet good ole Johnny will never step foot in college station once he leaves.


You'd lose that bet badly. His tweet about wanting to leave College Station had everything to do with the Gestapo and frankly retarded tactics that the CSPD takes with ALL STUDENTS.

I actually had a CSPD officer attempt to confiscate my military ID in 2004 after I returned from Iraq because he thought it was fake. (I was at a bar...at age 25)
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145225 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:27 pm to
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I bet good ole Johnny will never step foot in college station once he leaves. Touche

oh no what will we do?
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80379 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:29 pm to
Here's something for "Big 12 fan" when he talks about "character"

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April 2002: Cedric Benson is arrested for marijuana possession at a party to which the police were called. Charges are dropped in May.
May 2002: Brock Edwards is arrested for assault following a fight at a frat party in which he ends up stomping on some guys head. He is later given probation.
May 2003: Edorian McCullough, Larry Dibbles, Selvin Young, and Aaron Harris are all driving in a car which gets pulled over. Cops find a bag of weed stuffed in an air vent and arrest all of them with possession. Charges are dropped against all of them in July.
October 2003: Cedric Benson (INCIDENT #2) kicks in the door to an apartment to supposedly try and recover a stolen TV. Except he breaks into the wrong apartment. He is arrested for criminal trespassing and sentenced to eight days in jail, none of which he ever serves because of "overcrowding."
November 2003: Matt Nordgren and Cedric Griffin "confront a UT student" for an unknown reason and prevent him from calling the police. Griffin is charged with interference with an emergency phone call, and Nordgren is charged with criminal mischief.
December 2004: Freshman RB Eric Hardeman is arrested with marijuana, several bags of cocaine, and $3,774 in cash. Hardeman also had academic issues at the time, and is thus kicked off the team, only to eventually get busted again for dealing drugs.
November 2005: Myron Hardy gets into a fight and pulls out a butterfly knife during the altercation. He is arrested on the weapons charge. Mack actually kicks him off the team for this in conjunction with academic issues, the guy apparently actually faces the charges, and he rejoined the team in 08 for his senior year.
December 2005: Cedric Griffin (INCIDENT #2) and Ramonce Taylor are investigated in connection with a beating and robbery. It is announced that they will not be charged on December 17th, after a ESPN source with APD reports that they had interestingly had the upcoming NC game as the deadline of whether or not to file charges.
May 2006: Ramonce Taylor (INCIDENT #2) is involved in a large fight in which officers on scene report that Taylor threatened to come back with a gun. More officers arrive to handle the fight, and Ramonce wants them to go after a guy who busted out his window during the melee. Unfortunately, the cops find 5 pounds of weed and a bullet in his car and arrest him on felony charges, which he actually faces because Mack kicks him off the team for his second incident in conjuction with academic troubles.
August 2006: Former player Marco Martin is charged with molestation of a 6-year-old boy. I don't know what happened with this, and honestly, I don't want to find out.
September 2006: Tarell Brown, Tyrell Gatewood, and former player Aaron Harris (INCIDENT #2) are pulled over in their swerving vehicle. Marijuana is found in the car, and Brown is passed out in the back with a loaded gun in his lap. Brown and Gatewood have the drug charges dropped, and miss one game. I couldn't find what happened with the gun charge, if anything.
February 2007: Ahmard Howard and Brandon Collins are charged with drug possession. As usual, they pass the university-administered drug test which apparently isn't a conflict of interest for reasons I'll never know, and both avoid suspension.
March 2007: Tarell Brown (INCIDENT #2) is arrested for possession of marijuana. As expected, he passes a university-administered drug test and misses no time.
June 2007: Henry Melton gets arrested for DWI on 6th Street. Melton gets a 3-game suspension for the OOC schedule.
June 2007: Robert Joseph is caught taking items from cars in a parking lot, and runs from the police when his story about who owns these cars begins not to check out. He breaks into another car and hides, but is eventually caught by police, arrested, and charged with burglarizing a vehicle. Joseph is kicked off the team for also having academic issues at the time.
July 2007: Sergio Kindle gets arrested for DWI. Much like Melton, he gets the OOC suspension and nothing more.
July 2007: Robert Joseph (INCIDENT #2) and Dre Jones commit armed robbery. They threaten to kill the 14-year-old in the residence, and steal various electronics. Jones is given the boot. There are plenty of witnesses, which leads into the next crime.
August 2007: This is my personal favorite. James Henry beats up the witnesses to the armed robbery committed by Joseph and Jones. During the assault, he yells that "b*tches deserve to get kicked" as he is kicking a witness in the head. Joseph calls him from jail and Henry tells him that he "whupped them n*ggas, fool." Unfortunately, the conversation is recorded. I'm fairly certain Joseph, Jones, and Henry all faced some serious charges, especially since they got the boot from the team.
September 2007: Former player Peter Gardere gets arrested for DWI. Apparently even the old-school guys can't stay out of trouble. I'm not sure what happened with this.
September 2007: Tyrell Gatewood (INCIDENT #2) and Ben Wells are arrested with an array of narcotics, including marijuana, Xanax, promethazine, and codeine. Gatewood missed his Senior year and Wells stayed on the team.

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80379 posts
Posted on 8/28/13 at 10:29 pm to
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May 2008: Former player Cedric Benson (INCIDENT #3) is arrested for BWI, which is boating while intoxicated. BWI is typically a charge that you have to be belligerently drunk to get, and it sure didn't help that Cedric resisted arrest. He failed the field sobriety test and spent the night in jail.
June 2008: Former player Cedric Benson (INCIDENT #4) is arrested for DWI. Benson had driven through a red light, and had then failed the sobriety test. Despite refusing to take a blood or breath test, Cedric claims that he aced all the tests and that he's being profiled. The Bears release him due to his "pattern of behavior" and he is ordered to put a ignition lock breathalyzer in his car.
September 2008: Lamarr Houston gets a DWI following a wreck with another car. He is suspended for the UTEP game with Mack's "No Tolerance" policy.
June 2009: Sergio Kindle (INCIDENT #2) plows into an apartment right after the bars close. He flees the scene and avoids the hospital blood tests despite suffering a concussion. The team doctor treats him in the morning, and his lawyer, which he can magically afford after 1 costly DWI, floats a story that Kindle was "probably texting" at the time. Mack of course runs with this. Kindle promises to pay for the $8700 in damage with more of that money he magically has, and no charges are ever filed. Kindle misses no snaps.
October 2009: Kenny Vaccaro is arrested after assaulting a UT student in the gym. Kenny and his boys were throwing basketballs at this law student, who apparently threw one back. Vacarro can't take what he's dishing out, so he goes and clocks the guy. Kenny says the guy was trying to start a fight, because apparently law students want to singlehandedly take on a football player and his crew. Vacarro has missed no time.
November 2009: DJ Monroe is arrested for DWI. If you haven't seen the video, watch it here. LINK It's about as damning as it could possibly be. He swerves around on the road, fails every test, changes his story, is barely coherent, and pukes in the cop car multiple times. And he points out his status as a UT football player twice. And yet, by mid-December, it has been reduced down to the slap on the wrist of "obstructing a passageway." Perhaps more appalling than the charge reduction is the turnaround time, given that DWIs often take years to be settled. Then again, it may be that whole "upcoming NC game deadline" at work again.
November 2009: Marcus Davis is seen driving around on a blown tire that's down to the rim, and apparently doesn't notice. He is pulled over and arrested for DWI and possession of a controlled substance. He is suspended for the Big XII CCG and NC, and is released from the team in the offseason. Davis has since transferred to Oregon.
January 2010: Brandon Collins (INCIDENT #2) is arrested for his involvement in an armed robbery in which he was the getaway driver. Collins asked a friend to buy drugs for him, and the friend ends up robbing the drug dealer. They abscond with the dealer's money and drugs, and are pulled over by an officer who finds the contraband. Collins posts $35,000 bond (yes, $35k) and is actually kicked off the team. Incredibly, these charges are dropped.
January 2010: Dan Buckner gets in an argument with his girlfriend in College Station. The police are called in, and Buckner is charged with criminal trespassing. He likely would have been okay with just this, but he decides to make the brilliant choice to resist arrest. Buckner has since transferred.
April 2010: Vondrell McGee is driving without his lights on and gets arrested for DWI. He blows a .125 and .126, well over the legal limit of .08. Mack suspended him for the Wyoming game, and the NCAA ruled him academically ineligible for the remainder of the season to effectively end his football career.
June 2010: Vince Young gets a citation following a fight in a Dallas strip club. Apparently he didn't take too kindly to someone giving the horns down, so there was an altercation, and Young decided to bail before the authorities arrive.
June 2010: Cedric Benson (INCIDENT #5) is arrested for a bar fight on 6th St with another patron. The bar staff separate them, and Benson shoves the manager of the bar and spits blood from a cut lip at a different bar employee. They escort Cedric out of the bar, but he tries to re-enter, and when prevented, he punches another bar employee.
July 2010: Chris Simms is pulled over. The cop smells marijuana on him, and Simms is apparently high enough to admit he smoked pot earlier in the day. He is arrested for driving under the influence of drugs (with his pregnant wife with him in the car, no less) and refuses a urine test. He then misses his court hearing. Simms' lawyers make his friend the fall guy, and Simms is inexplicably acquitted.
August 2010: Rashad Bobino beats on a girl in public on 6th St. In a bit of instant karma, UFC fighter Roger Huerta happens to witness this, and doesn't take kindly to it. After a brief conversation about chivalry in which Bobino profoundly retorts by saying "**** you, **** these b*tches; I'll knock out any ****ing b*tch I wanna ****ing knock out....I'll knock your ****ing b*tch arse out", he takes a swing at Huerta. Huerta KOs Bobino in a matter of seconds. Glorious. Watch the video here. LINK y-street-fight-roger-huerta-austin-texas-video/
July 2011: Career criminal Cedric Benson (INCIDENT #6) is arrested yet again, this time for assault with bodily injury with family violence. Benson had two criminal cases against him at the same time, and pled no contest to both in exchange for a sentence of 20 days in jail (of which he served five), a $4,000 fine, an undisclosed amount of restitution to the victims, and 30 hours of community service.
August 2011: Christian Scott is arrested for assault with bodily injury, as he apparently attacked a woman who was trying to repossess his car . He pleads no contest and receives deferred adjudication and community service. Mack reinstated him to the team and sat him for the first three games of 2011.
January 2012: Eryon Barnett is arrested for public intoxication. Barnett later announces his intention to transfer.
February 2012: Calvin Howell is arrested for possession of marijuana. Howell announces his transfer shortly afterwards, which begs the question of if there was more at play here, given that Mack ha s allowed players to remain on the team with multiple weed arrests in the past.
May 2012: Kenny Vaccaro (INCIDENT #2), Eryon Barnett (INCIDENT #2), Alex Okafor, and Barrett Matthews get themselves in some trouble on 6th St and are asked to leave. They refuse, and get arrested. Barnett additionally gets charged with failing to identify himself. This is handled by mid-June, and Vaccaro, Okafor, and Matthews miss no snaps.
January 2013: Former player Russell Erxlaben is arrested again for defrauding investors via a ponzi scheme, as he had previously served time in a federal prison for fraud. This time, he is charged with wire fraud, money laundering, and securities fraud.
February 2013: Connor Brewer is arrested on charges of public intoxication and minor in possession of alcohol. He also is in possession of fake identification. He has missed no time.
March 2013: Cayleb Jones decides he isn't over his ex, and breaks the jaw of a UT tennis player that is dating her. He is suspended for the spring.
April 2013: Kendall Sanders gets a DWI in aggieland. It's a bad enough idea to even be in aggieland, and it's even worse if you decide to drink and drive as a UT player in aggieland. Mack says UT takes "a strong stance against drinking and driving" and then does nothing to Sanders.
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