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re: Johnny Manziel Suspended First Half Against Rice (NOW OFFICIAL)

Posted on 8/29/13 at 10:57 am to
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 8/29/13 at 10:57 am to
The NCAA can't make the distinction between Manziel, Clowney, Miller, Bridgewater, Lee, etc.

The NCAA can't make the distinction between 2013 players and players from 2004-2012 who also had dealings with autograph brokers. Somebody already posted a link to the John Lopez article on CBS Houston that mentions a listing of top athletes associated with autograph brokers.

The ONLY group making such a distinction is ESPN.

This post was edited on 8/29/13 at 11:00 am
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21935 posts
Posted on 8/29/13 at 11:07 am to
A&M recommended the suspension - which is just fine with me after all the crap he has put the admin through. Also, funny he has to talk with the team about the dangers of autographing stuff. The real question here is does he play at all the first game?

Sumlin is friends with the Rice coach. I expect we will be up by a bit at half just because we could run all day long if we wanted. Does JFF only play a series or two? Guy needs his reps, but running up the score would be bad

Then again - Sumlin massacred his old friend Stoops last year so maybe we see a score in the 70's
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 8/29/13 at 11:13 am to
quote:

It wouldn't have been relevant to O'Bannon except in the public's mind. I understand that view is the consensus of sportswriters but I don't think they understand how the legal system works. The NCAA also doesn't make much money from these things despite sportswriters saying they make a fortune. It makes next to nil (an extremely laughable amount even to the out of work home entrepreneur) from football. The people who truly make money are the networks but see below for more.

When it comes to CFB, even schools that turn profits (and there are only a handful -- fewer than 95%) put that money right back into the AD in an ever continuing arms race. The court isn't going to look at simply basketball or football teams that turn real profits. They're not even going to *solely* look at those two sports. What they're going to look at is the totality of NCAA sports which includes many sports, some none of us has heard of. Even *if* SCOTUS decides to rule favorably for O'Bannon the court will likely split the difference and decide to allow control of a player's image only years AFTER graduation while still allowing both the NCAA and Universities to use them without permission or payment.

Antitrust laws (the meat of O'Bannon and the only sound footing for suit) have exceptions. Pro sports are one exception and media (think ESPN/CBS etc.) is another. To add to the problems of the O'Bannon Case, EA has a freedom of expression defense as it's a creative endeavor. And then there's the bit about the fact monopolies aren't in and of themselves illegal but must engage in unfair enterprise (e.g price fixing, restricting consumer choice, refusing to supply a product).

But at the heart of ALL antitrust law/legal theory is enterprise and consumer protection. The notion that if you do have a monopoly then your responsibility is to ensure that you don't impair competition is also foundational.

Under the anti-trust laws that govern similar entities, the NCAA has firm ground that has been established by prior cases as well as governments and state that grant of monopolies for specific reasons. With Grant Laws/Government granted monopolies it's a-ok to establish government granted monopolies where competition is not practical or feasible and the NCAA has a good case for requesting one should the case go against them (e.g. K-12 and utility monopolies among many others fall under this category).

IOW, it's a legal area designed to cater to markets, enterprise, businesses and ensure that even in the case of a monopoly businesses are not shut out of the market as well as designed to protect consumers who buy a product from being gouged.

Finally, and this has little to do with antitrust or monopolies, it's long been held that models or subjects can sign over the rights to that particular image in perpetuity without any recourse even when they do so for free. Even those of us who go out in public, have ZERO right over the image taken -- only the photographer has rights and he or she may keep or sell it at whim.

Then there's the obvious issue that the NCAA is a non-profit ultimately controlled by multiple schools and related members and that such a suit would in the end ruin every college sport. Success would make it all but impossible to force compliance with other federal laws governing universities. The court has no reason to overturn this based on anti-trust laws unless they seriously want to diverge from more than 100+ years of anti-trust law just for shits and giggles.

TL;DR - O'Bannon ain't all it's cracked up to be by sportswriters and news writers and in fact faces a very steep climb in order to succeed.

UT's answer to Agressor.



Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42621 posts
Posted on 8/29/13 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

Aggressor is one of our guys who posts novels almost every time.

There was no malice at aimed at your content of the post. I was taking a mild shot at Aggressor.

Calm down, and enjoy the season.


I misread you then. We're good.
Posted by tommeehawk
Member since Sep 2011
111 posts
Posted on 8/29/13 at 2:45 pm to
I'm glad he only got a half , i wish he didn'y get that. JFF is great for college football and we all want to see him play.
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