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re: Jim Harbaugh or Nick Saban?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:05 am to lsupride87
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:05 am to lsupride87
You can't compare pro coaching to college coaching. Those are two entirely different beasts. Also...you can't compare the situation Harbaugh confronted at San Francisco in 2011 to the situation Saban was confronted with in Miami in 2005. One franchise was clearly in much better shape than the other as far as talent is concerned.
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:06 am to BamaGradinTn
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Congrats on being able to afford a little better computer to post with. 29,000+ posts in five years?
the hell are you even trying to say here?
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Are you even out of your pajamas yet?
nope. I'm on vacation until the New Year. You posting from work?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:06 am to RollTide1987
quote:So you would have been wrong about Saban in 2001, wrong about the bear in 1952, wrong about Jimmy Johnson in the 1980s, wrong about Tom Landry in the 1960s, and I could go ON and On and On and On
And right now that is easily Saban. Anyone who disagrees is either a troll or just stupid. He had one spectacular season at Stanford before leaving for the NFL to coach one of the most talented teams in the league. I have no doubt he is a good coach, but to say he's better than Saban right now is just asinine.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:07 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:08 am to lsupride87
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So you would have been wrong about Saban in 2001
Saban isn't the same coach now that he was in 2001.
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wrong about the bear in 1952
Wasn't the same coach in 1952 as he was in 1979.
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wrong about Jimmy Johnson in the 1980s, wrong about Tom Landry in the 1960s, and I could go ON and On and On and On
Those coaches weren't the same either. But we have the benefit of hindsight.
You have no way of knowing whether or not Harbaugh is going to develop into anything like the coaches you have listed above. As of now he has not and, therefore, is not better than any of them - including Saban.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:10 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:08 am to BamaGradinTn
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LSU fan, great high dollar job in Nashville, can't grasp that "compare" and "comparable" are synonymous.
I was saying no one has to ASK to compare them when they already ARE comparable.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:10 am to RollTide1987
quote:And you dont know he wont. So to call someone asinine to say he is better actually makes you asinine. We arent arguing who is more accomplished.
You have no way of knowing whether or not Harbaugh is going to develop into anything like the coaches you have listed above.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:10 am to RollTide1987
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You have no way of knowing whether or not Harbaugh is going to develop into anything like the coaches you have listed above.
No, but we do know that he is going to come in and recruit like hell. That doesn't actually have to happen to know it will happen. And Saban wins a lot of games because he has better talent. Harbaugh will get talent. It's known he's a good coach, right? It's known the Big 10 is weak, right?
I mean this shite isn't rocket science
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:14 am to lsupride87
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We arent arguing who is more accomplished.
No. We are arguing who is better RIGHT NOW. And right now you can't argue Harbaugh without arguing hypotheticals.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:15 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:15 am to RollTide1987
quote:And you cant argue Saban is better without hypotheticals. Actually, you can factually argue Harbaugh is better moerso than Saban
And right now you can't argue Harbaugh without arguing hypotheticals.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:16 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:16 am to cas4t
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I mean this shite isn't rocket science
No, it's not. But Harbaugh will be competing directly against Urban Meyer, who has proven himself to be a fairly good coach.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:17 am to lsupride87
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And you cant argue Saban is better without hypotheticals.
Yes, I can.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:18 am to RollTide1987
Show me one comparable situation where Saban has proven he is "better" than Harbaugh? You cant.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:18 am to RollTide1987
quote:No you cant
Yes, I can
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
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Show me one comparable situation where Saban has proven he is "better" than Harbaugh? You cant.
Well, for one, he didn't choke in the biggest game of his career.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:23 am to RollTide1987
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Yes, I can.
How? One has been in the NFL and the other has been in college. One has been trying to win a SB, which is infinitely harder than trying to win a NC in college. Harbaugh hasn't had the advantage of getting 4-5 cupcakes a year. Saban, on the other hand, has been dominating college football. While Harbaugh turned around a bad program and took them to a 12-1 season. Fluke season? maybe, but then you look at his resume' in the NFL and see that his coaching abilities is no fluke.
They are both comparable in that they are both great coaches, but you can not defintely say one is better than the other, because both have had differnt types of success at different levels.
If Kaep runs a TD in to win the SB, this entire conversation is going differently.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:23 am to RollTide1987
quote:So we are comparing the Super Bowl to a college football game now?
Well, for one, he didn't choke in the biggest game of his career
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 11:24 am
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:24 am to cas4t
quote:There is absolutely no way for either side to argue their point without hypotheticals and speculation
How? One has been in the NFL and the other has been in college
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:25 am to RollTide1987
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Well, for one, he didn't choke in the biggest game of his career.
Saban has choked plenty of times. See: kick 6. But I'm not so dumb to try and judge Saban off of one mistake.
The fact that you try to use this against an entire body of work is hysterical though.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:25 am to cas4t
quote:Which is illogical from both sides
If Kaep runs a TD in to win the SB, this entire conversation is going differently
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:26 am to RollTide1987
quote:How did Saban do in that Super Bowl with Miami? I forgot he won it
Well, for one, he didn't choke in the biggest game of his career
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