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re: Jay Bilas: Simmons a cautionary tale
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:15 pm to JuiceTerry
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:15 pm to JuiceTerry
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Dude is being questioned because he has no swag, no MOJO, no personality that inspires people around him to win.
Ben Simmons had no problem leading his team to win in a big way at the high school level. I don't think you'll be able to get him to apologize for not being a cocky a-hole.
You guys are some sad souls. You go to great lengths to tear down people who are more successful than you are.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:24 pm to lsu711
I actually wish him the best. I'm just saying the NBA ain't high school. Those dudes are gonna haze his arse and he needs to respond strongly and positively.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:31 pm to JuiceTerry
Keep buying tickets to his games, watching him on TV, yearning for Simmons content from the news media and in a few months buy his shoes, jerseys and all of the products he will endorse.
If we all continue to contribute to that mission, I think Ben Simmons will respond just fine to his prison sentence in the NBA.
If we all continue to contribute to that mission, I think Ben Simmons will respond just fine to his prison sentence in the NBA.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:32 pm to UKWildcats
UK fans are so mad LMAOOOO
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:34 pm to UKWildcats
I'd say Duke but I see his point.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:02 am to UKWildcats
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All your 5* are belong to us.
You guys get the 5 Stars, someone else gets the national titles.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 3:46 am to thefloydian
Well you see, in basketball, we have a legitimate postseason. I sure wish we could just get penciled in to the title game or Final Four as it were based on voters. We'd have a lot more titles.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 4:48 am to UKWildcats
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You guys get the 5 Stars, someone else gets the national titles.
Everybody always harps on the one national championship under Cal. 4 final fours in the past 5 years isn't too shabby (that includes one championship and two runner-ups).
Posted on 3/8/16 at 5:14 am to PentagonTiger
Cal is breaking records set by Coach Rupp as well as NCAA winning records. Anyone who says Cal hasn't done much here is a fricking idiot.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:43 am to UKWildcats
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t Miles has the same. And we whipped your arse the one year he did win a national title, so take a seat sugarfoot
43-37 in 3OT in a game where LSU overthrew a wide open TE in the end zone, missed the ensuing FG, missed a FG to win it at the end of regulation, and inexplicably failed to play its best RB in the second half is in no way an arse whipping.
49-0 in TS in 2006. That was an arse whipping.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:55 am to Jenar Boy
UK fan posts thread literally just copy/pasting from someone else's opinion
Somehow that immediately translates to:
Never change guys. Never change.
Only on this board do people immediately proclaim that other people are mad/butthurt/rustled when something is said about their team that they disagree with.
Ultimately, the comment has some merit, though probably not as much as Bilas tries to make it out. Were you a 5* basketball player, future NBA stud, what is preferable:
a) Go to a program where I am able to put up gaudy numbers because I'm literal leaps and bounds better than the rest of the roster *but* have a significantly lower probability that I end up going to play in the tournament, leading pundits to question my character, drive, motivation, etc (all in the name of this farce that we call "student athletes"... but I digress)
or
b) Go to a program where I might have to compete a bit more for playing time, likely develop more (at least slightly) as a player *but* due to that competition, my minutes are likely lower, overall stats take a hit, and possibly slide down the draft a few spots as a result.
To LSU fans: replace Simmons with a fictional placeholder basketball player and put them on another SEC roster that is probably going to miss the tournament. And replace Kentucky with Kansas, or some other state school with a history of solid basketball (eliminating Duke because classes). I don't think you guys legitimately can't see that there is at least a balancing act during the decision making process for a kid.
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From Mike and Mike on ESPNradio this morning.
Somehow that immediately translates to:
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Kentucky sooooooo mad.
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You butthurt bro?
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Jimmies officially rustled
Never change guys. Never change.
Only on this board do people immediately proclaim that other people are mad/butthurt/rustled when something is said about their team that they disagree with.
Ultimately, the comment has some merit, though probably not as much as Bilas tries to make it out. Were you a 5* basketball player, future NBA stud, what is preferable:
a) Go to a program where I am able to put up gaudy numbers because I'm literal leaps and bounds better than the rest of the roster *but* have a significantly lower probability that I end up going to play in the tournament, leading pundits to question my character, drive, motivation, etc (all in the name of this farce that we call "student athletes"... but I digress)
or
b) Go to a program where I might have to compete a bit more for playing time, likely develop more (at least slightly) as a player *but* due to that competition, my minutes are likely lower, overall stats take a hit, and possibly slide down the draft a few spots as a result.
To LSU fans: replace Simmons with a fictional placeholder basketball player and put them on another SEC roster that is probably going to miss the tournament. And replace Kentucky with Kansas, or some other state school with a history of solid basketball (eliminating Duke because classes). I don't think you guys legitimately can't see that there is at least a balancing act during the decision making process for a kid.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 9:10 am to UKWildcats
Stick to football?? yea ok I love both sports and know about them equally. I stand by my statement nothing calipari would've done would have changed his game. My examples again Goodwin and Orton both 5* recruits and nothing cal did changed their game. Goodwin developed his iq and jumper in the leage and that's easy to see.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 9:47 am to Brunedog
Neither of them played in this team with these players. Ulis/Murray/Simmons could get a natty. Simmons is the missing piece on this team from being good or great. Orton was told he should return by Cal. He wasn't ready or developed. I don't disagree about Archie.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:45 am to UKWildcats
I agree those three could get a natty but the argument was what would haven been different if he would have went too Kentucky and I stick nothing would have been reallydifferent. He would be just as good. The only difference would be playing in the tourney.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:50 am to UKWildcats
Why do you keep posting threads about Ben Simmons?
Posted on 3/8/16 at 11:18 am to UKWildcats
Jay Bilas is dead wrong about Ben Simmons, in this case. Simmons did exactly what he wanted, and it looks like things will turn out exactly the way he wanted them to.
If he went to Kentucky (or Duke), his media individuality would have dropped. He'd be the next John Wall, Karl Anthony Towns, Anthony Davis etc. He'd just be the "next" star, and you could easily compare him to the previous guys. By going elsewhere, the comparisons are defaulting back to Lebron.
For Simmons, advantage LSU.
At Kentucky, Coach Cal may have forced him to play more down low, and rotate more with other players. At LSU, Simmons was able to do exactly what he wanted to do, to showcase himself. I'm actually curious if he handled the ball more at LSU than he did in high school; he brought the ball up nearly every possession, and he spent at least half of LSU's possessions basically running the offense at the point. He showcased a lot of his abilities that he wouldn't have been able to, at a "better" system.
Again, for Simmons, advantage LSU.
Kentucky or Duke may win the NCAA without him, while LSU wasn't going to. That was a given going in, so team performance and the "leadership" deal is diminished a lot. If he went to Kentucky and they lost in the 1st or 2nd round, more questions probably would crop up about his lack of leadership, than for LSU not even making the tourney. At LSU, the lack of surrounding talent gives him a pass.
Advantage LSU.
LSU isn't winning like Kentucky or Duke are, and would.
That's irrelevant, sadly. Wins and losses don't really matter any more in basketball. Quick, who's having a better season: Demar DeRozan or Anthony Davis? Davis, right? He's an All-Star putting up big stats, he makes a lot of highlight reels, even casual fans know "the Unibrow" a lot more than DeRozan, who I had to google.
DeRozan is the leading player on Toronto, a team 21 games over .500, currently 2nd in the East. Not really any name players on the team, I had to google to find the roster. Davis is the leading player on the Pelicans, a team 14 games under .500. It doesn't matter, nobody seems to care about whether a team is good or not, just whether they have stars.
So what makes someone a star? Of interest, ESPN lists the roster by displaying the player name, number, and salary, and stats aren't even shown on the main page. Simmons is about to sign a big shoe deal, and be the top draft pick. His income will be set, and apparently that means he will be a star.
Since the game is now about making money instead of wins, Simmons did absolutely the right thing. He's going to "get paid", which nowadays means he made it.
If he went to Kentucky (or Duke), his media individuality would have dropped. He'd be the next John Wall, Karl Anthony Towns, Anthony Davis etc. He'd just be the "next" star, and you could easily compare him to the previous guys. By going elsewhere, the comparisons are defaulting back to Lebron.
For Simmons, advantage LSU.
At Kentucky, Coach Cal may have forced him to play more down low, and rotate more with other players. At LSU, Simmons was able to do exactly what he wanted to do, to showcase himself. I'm actually curious if he handled the ball more at LSU than he did in high school; he brought the ball up nearly every possession, and he spent at least half of LSU's possessions basically running the offense at the point. He showcased a lot of his abilities that he wouldn't have been able to, at a "better" system.
Again, for Simmons, advantage LSU.
Kentucky or Duke may win the NCAA without him, while LSU wasn't going to. That was a given going in, so team performance and the "leadership" deal is diminished a lot. If he went to Kentucky and they lost in the 1st or 2nd round, more questions probably would crop up about his lack of leadership, than for LSU not even making the tourney. At LSU, the lack of surrounding talent gives him a pass.
Advantage LSU.
LSU isn't winning like Kentucky or Duke are, and would.
That's irrelevant, sadly. Wins and losses don't really matter any more in basketball. Quick, who's having a better season: Demar DeRozan or Anthony Davis? Davis, right? He's an All-Star putting up big stats, he makes a lot of highlight reels, even casual fans know "the Unibrow" a lot more than DeRozan, who I had to google.
DeRozan is the leading player on Toronto, a team 21 games over .500, currently 2nd in the East. Not really any name players on the team, I had to google to find the roster. Davis is the leading player on the Pelicans, a team 14 games under .500. It doesn't matter, nobody seems to care about whether a team is good or not, just whether they have stars.
So what makes someone a star? Of interest, ESPN lists the roster by displaying the player name, number, and salary, and stats aren't even shown on the main page. Simmons is about to sign a big shoe deal, and be the top draft pick. His income will be set, and apparently that means he will be a star.
Since the game is now about making money instead of wins, Simmons did absolutely the right thing. He's going to "get paid", which nowadays means he made it.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 11:22 am to Scoob
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. Not really any name players on the team,
Kyle Lowry anyone?
Posted on 3/8/16 at 12:42 pm to c on z
quote:Yeah, that's my exact point. I don't really follow the NBA much anymore, and don't know who Lowry is. I know from casual sports talk that Toronto is doing well, and I had to google the roster; DeRozan looked to have the best stat line. I guess Lowry is the top player, instead?
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. Not really any name players on the team,
Kyle Lowry anyone?
I do know who Davis (Unibrow) is, and that's not due to him being on the Pelicans, the team in my state; that's from the press. I don't really know any other Pels players off the top of my head.
edit to add- the point of the matter is this: Simmons is going to be a bigger and more marketable name than Kyle Lowry, even casual fans already know who he is; and I'm proof that Lowry isn't a household name.
And once upon a time, I did know almost every NBA starter, along with a lot of key backups, like who was considered instant offense off the bench, who were key defensive stoppers, etc. The game has lost me now, and I only know the media darling celebs that transcend the sport. I think Simmons is angling towards that group.
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:21 pm to DBU
quote:This is literally the only thread I have posted on Simmons or anything even LSU related for that matter. I posted it because Bilas' comments concern Kentucky. You know.....my team. If that bothers you, that's your hang up.
Why do you keep posting threads about Ben Simmons?
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 1:22 pm
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