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re: Is the Big Ten a sleeping giant?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:34 pm to MillerLiteTime
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:34 pm to MillerLiteTime
No the big ten are soft as cotton
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Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:36 pm to MillerLiteTime
Sleeping = YES
Giant = NO
More like a napping midget
Giant = NO
More like a napping midget
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:42 pm to BuckI
Is that why northerners are making the great migration south? The fastest growing cities are in the south, as well as Las Vegas and Phoenix.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:57 pm to viceman
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long as the Big 10 states have a higher average population than SEC states, they will be able to demand more tv money.
This and alumni bases. Some of those alumni bases are truly massive.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:22 pm to Partha
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If by the north you mean NY-CT-Boston, sure.
Ohio is a rustbelt wasteland that people from the Northeast scoff at.
True.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:26 pm to MillerLiteTime
I wouldn’t call them a sleeping giant… more like an old dinosaur skeleton that now is displayed in a museum.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:54 pm to MillerLiteTime
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But here is the interesting part. Despite SEC dominance on the field for 2 decades now, the B10 has gotten a better tv rights deal every time throughout those 20 years. Large corporations don't make multi-billion dollar offers unless they see value.
Do yo think perhaps there are possibly millions of more people in one footprint than the other?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 10:06 pm to The Vin Man
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Is that why northerners are making the great migration south? The fastest growing cities are in the south, as well as Las Vegas and Phoenix.
Everything is cyclical my man. For the last 30 years people flocked south because of low taxes, and low cost of living.
Then what happened?
Taxes and Cost of Living in the south went up, and up, and up.
Texas has been good to me financially, but it's NOT a low tax state anymore. And the value of my home has almost doubled in less than 5 years. I make a very good living, bit I couldn't afford my relatively new house today, less than 5 years after I bought from the builder.
I have many friends who make decent money who have been saving for homes for years, and the costs keeps rising faster than they can increase their savings. So they're stuck in rentals, which also keep going up.
Multiple of those friends are looking at moving to the midwest now. Namely Ohio, Indiana, or Michigan. Because they can keep their jobs and work remotely and afford nice homes in great areas for half of what they cost in Dallas.
As someone who watched northerners and Californians invade Texas for the last 30 years, I can tell you the worm in turning, and Texans today are looking to escape to cheaper cities elsewhere more than the other way around.
The migration patterns of the next 30 years are going to look very different than the last 30. And I think the Big 10 has nowhere to go but up population-wise.
Short version: the midwest today offers a lot of the same advantages that the Sun Belt offered 30 years ago when the south started to blow up. Dont be surprised if things shift back north in the near future.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:45 am to MillerLiteTime
The SEC hasn't renogotianted their deal yet.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:49 am to GeorgeWest
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The 3 largest TV markets in the US are in BIg10 country now: NYC, Chicago, and Los Angeles.
and those are Pro markets not college
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:06 am to Krampus
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Short version: the midwest today offers a lot of the same advantages that the Sun Belt offered 30 years ago when the south started to blow up. Dont be surprised if things shift back north in the near future.
Spot on
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:13 am to dirty bastard
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The SEC hasn't renogotianted their deal yet.
There is no renegotiation. The SEC is locked into their current (begins in 2024) deal until 2034. Texas and Oklahoma get an equal share but no SEC school gets additional money because of the addition of those two schools.
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ESPN and the SEC announced Thursday a new ten-year media rights deal for approximately 15 football and eight men’s basketball games per year starting in 2024. The new deal will run until the conclusion of ESPN’s pre-existing SEC rights deal in 2034.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:21 am to VABuckeye
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There is no renegotiation. The SEC is locked into their current (begins in 2024) deal until 2034. Texas and Oklahoma get an equal share but no SEC school gets additional money because of the addition of those two schools.
I am not so sure, but we will just agree to disagree. Contracts can always be renegotiated, and adding OU and UTa makes it more likely.
But honestly it really does not matter. The money the conferences make really will not change the athletic side very much. The SEC will always have the recruits, the weather and the desire. This is the reason why starting in 1950 the SEC averages 3 NC in football a decade.
Now the SEC is winning more titles in the other sports too. In the sports both conferences play, the SEC has such a lead that the Big Ten will never catch up
Since 2000, the Big Ten has won 1 NC in basketball, 2 in football, and none in baseball.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:30 am to MillerLiteTime
Let me preface what I am about to say with this...my wife and I have been down South many times for vacations...Tenn, GA, SC, AL, Florida, and Texas are all beautiful states.
People move to the warm weather, they don't move North as they get older.
Everyone on here is stuck on Championships in regards to TV contracts...TV Contracts are about viewers and markets. I said this on here a week ago and was laughed at but the reality is outside of the SEC fanbases, most people don't watch the SEC and SEC fanbases are not the largest in the Country...therefore the SEC is a REGIONAL production.
The Big 10 has the top 4 markets in their coverage...
NYC = Rutgers/Penn State
LA = USC/UCLA/large Big 10 alumni base
Chicago = Big 10 central
Philadelphia = Penn State/Rutgers
The SEC has Atlanta...there are also a lot of alumni and Big 10 fans in SC, GA, and FL. SEC fans stay in the South, why would you move to the snow???
I love watching all football: high school, college and pro. I watch Harvard and Yale if it is on. My favorite game is Army/Navy. I love watching the SEC games as well as PAC 12 after dark, Big 12, MAC, and HBCU games.
In the end the contracts are all about the eyeballs and the Big 10 just has more...more alumni, more casual fans, and more TV's.
There is no doubt it means more in the SEC and thus the Championship domination in football and baseball but in the end the money goes where the markets are bigger and better.
People move to the warm weather, they don't move North as they get older.
Everyone on here is stuck on Championships in regards to TV contracts...TV Contracts are about viewers and markets. I said this on here a week ago and was laughed at but the reality is outside of the SEC fanbases, most people don't watch the SEC and SEC fanbases are not the largest in the Country...therefore the SEC is a REGIONAL production.
The Big 10 has the top 4 markets in their coverage...
NYC = Rutgers/Penn State
LA = USC/UCLA/large Big 10 alumni base
Chicago = Big 10 central
Philadelphia = Penn State/Rutgers
The SEC has Atlanta...there are also a lot of alumni and Big 10 fans in SC, GA, and FL. SEC fans stay in the South, why would you move to the snow???
I love watching all football: high school, college and pro. I watch Harvard and Yale if it is on. My favorite game is Army/Navy. I love watching the SEC games as well as PAC 12 after dark, Big 12, MAC, and HBCU games.
In the end the contracts are all about the eyeballs and the Big 10 just has more...more alumni, more casual fans, and more TV's.
There is no doubt it means more in the SEC and thus the Championship domination in football and baseball but in the end the money goes where the markets are bigger and better.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:42 am to TideFaninFl
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Contracts can always be renegotiated, and adding OU and UTa makes it more likely
The SEC put all of their eggs in one basket in 2020 when they negotiated the deal. There is no escalation clause for adding additional schools. I'm not sure how they have negotiating power on A) a deal that hasn't begun yet and B) in which they have no leverage and already signed over their media rights.
Maybe you're right and it can be renegotiated but it's unlikely as the other side of the table has no need to reconsider or renegotiate.
ETA: A 10 year deal in the changing landscape today just was (in hindsight) a bad deal for the SEC.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 7:44 am
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:54 am to CarolinaGamecock99
You may be right and you may be wrong, but I’m not sure a South Carolina fan is qualified to lecture anyone on prominence.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 12:51 pm to HuskerdownSouth
Expansion to 24 teams
4 divisions of 6 teams
West = Oregon, Cal, Stan, Wash, USC, UCLA
Mountain = COL, ILL, Neb, Minn, Wisconsin, and Iowa
Midwest = ND, Pur, IU, NW, MSU, UM
East = OSU, PSU, Rut, Mary, FSU, Clemson
SemiFinals and Finals for Big 10 Title.
Media Rights will be triple what this new contract is for sure.
Nike Apparel contract right now being discussed in the range of $2.5-$3 billion annually for the conference.
4 divisions of 6 teams
West = Oregon, Cal, Stan, Wash, USC, UCLA
Mountain = COL, ILL, Neb, Minn, Wisconsin, and Iowa
Midwest = ND, Pur, IU, NW, MSU, UM
East = OSU, PSU, Rut, Mary, FSU, Clemson
SemiFinals and Finals for Big 10 Title.
Media Rights will be triple what this new contract is for sure.
Nike Apparel contract right now being discussed in the range of $2.5-$3 billion annually for the conference.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 1:23 pm to MillerLiteTime
No, next question.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 1:31 pm to TideFaninFl
ESPiN most likely won't renegotiate.
They are back in play for the Big 10 if it decides to add the 4 other PAC 12 teams.
All 4 networks are interested in the "After Dark" package on the West Coast if the Big 10 is involved.
They are back in play for the Big 10 if it decides to add the 4 other PAC 12 teams.
All 4 networks are interested in the "After Dark" package on the West Coast if the Big 10 is involved.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 1:59 pm to MillerLiteTime
At this point they've moved past sleeping giant, stepped over comatose, moseyed by clinically dead, and are currently in the rotting away stage.
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