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re: Is Saban anything more than an awesome recruiter?
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:08 pm to Rebman601
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:08 pm to Rebman601
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Wasn't Saban a mediocre coach before getting to schools where he found it much easier to recruit.
I just think any average coach could do what he's doing at Bama. A great coach would rarely lose
He rarely loses fwiw.
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Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:25 am to bingo
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nope. he just recruits a bunch of talent then hangs out at the lake.
He and Spurrier, just getting drunk and riding Jet Skis...
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:07 am to Rebman601
Nothing Saban did prior to coming to LSU refutes that arguement.
Not privy to the details of his LSU interview, but Im pretty certain it went along the lines of 'you guys have the best talent base in the country and I'll get that base to LSU and we'll kick serious arse'...which obviously worked.
College coaches are judged by their ability to recruit, so certainly in that sense he's top dog. But as far as pure coaching acumen, his short stint in tNFL, like Spurrier, showed he has his limitations as a 'coach'.
To answer the question, Saban is the best recruiter, and thus the best college coach in the land.
Not privy to the details of his LSU interview, but Im pretty certain it went along the lines of 'you guys have the best talent base in the country and I'll get that base to LSU and we'll kick serious arse'...which obviously worked.
College coaches are judged by their ability to recruit, so certainly in that sense he's top dog. But as far as pure coaching acumen, his short stint in tNFL, like Spurrier, showed he has his limitations as a 'coach'.
To answer the question, Saban is the best recruiter, and thus the best college coach in the land.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:14 am to RTR America
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So 1 good class explains our success in 2008 and 2009?
Exactly. Saban went 26-2 from 2008-2009 and still had a ton of players left over from the probation era. Javier Arenas, Rashad Johnson, and Marquis Johnson are prime examples of Sabans ability to develop players. Sorry for stating facts. Love you guys.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:32 am to Rebman601
Freeze wouldnt win at Bama. So no, you are quite the homo.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 2:56 am to PepaSpray
Saban would win big at any number of programs.
Bama is just where he happened to end up after flopping in tNFL.
Aside from LSU and Bama, he'd prolly do as well at Georgia, Florida, Miami, Florida St, Texas, Texas A&M, USC, UCLA, Stanford, or basically anywhere with a strong recruiting base.
Bama is just where he happened to end up after flopping in tNFL.
Aside from LSU and Bama, he'd prolly do as well at Georgia, Florida, Miami, Florida St, Texas, Texas A&M, USC, UCLA, Stanford, or basically anywhere with a strong recruiting base.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 3:29 am to Tammany Tom
Yep. I think he is the best recruiter by far.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 5:29 am to Rebman601
Nick Saban is the hardest working coach in football. He coaches his assistants and lives, eats and shits football. Of course he's the best recruiter in college football but he knows what to do with em when they get here. And although he struggles with spread teams, he's a defensive guru and he'll get that fixed. I think you already knew the answer to this question bro. He's a fricking beast.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 6:02 am to CrimsonChin
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Nick Saban is the shortest coach in football
Explains the Kiffen hiring.
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He coaches his assistants
So well, they seem to be bailing at a record pace
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Of course he's the best recruiter in college football but he knows what to do with em when they get here.
Yeah, because no other coach could do what he has with his talent.
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He's a fricking beast.
He's got the worst case of little man syndrome ever.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 6:09 am to tiger4178
Haters gonna hate.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 6:17 am to tween the hedges
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e's a good coach and an elite recruiter.
He's a relentless recruiter. So much so he has to carry a picture of his wife to remember what she looks like.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 6:33 am to CrimsonChin
2008 SEC Title game sold me
A Tebow lead Gator program was on top of CFB's world, but, Bama hanging with them showed me a bunch about Saban's coaching skills. Gators had like 55 Top 150 ESPN recruits -vs- Bama's 11 Top 150 ESPN recruits (9 were true-freshmen) Bama had no business being in that game, but 2008 Bama over achieved. Good coaching will do that, and 7 loses since the end of 2008 says so too.
Now Bama being one of the most studied teams in the gamefilm room these last 5 season. Makes things tougher on Bama than Saban's coaching skills. Throw in Bama under Saban having twice has many bye-weeks opponents than anyone else during all this. Makes Bama's 72-9 run while being the hunted that much more impressive.
A Tebow lead Gator program was on top of CFB's world, but, Bama hanging with them showed me a bunch about Saban's coaching skills. Gators had like 55 Top 150 ESPN recruits -vs- Bama's 11 Top 150 ESPN recruits (9 were true-freshmen) Bama had no business being in that game, but 2008 Bama over achieved. Good coaching will do that, and 7 loses since the end of 2008 says so too.
Now Bama being one of the most studied teams in the gamefilm room these last 5 season. Makes things tougher on Bama than Saban's coaching skills. Throw in Bama under Saban having twice has many bye-weeks opponents than anyone else during all this. Makes Bama's 72-9 run while being the hunted that much more impressive.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 6:34 am
Posted on 1/12/14 at 7:09 am to SquirrelyBama
Anyone who thinks Saban wins just by out talenting his opponents is fricking moron. Of course we have a talent advantage over 99% of our competition but the man can coach. He prepares his teams weekly and teaches them to play football. His defensive schemes are a thing of beauty except against spread teams which if you know Nick Saban then you know he'll get that shite fixed.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 7:54 am to tiger4178
"Nick Saban is the shortest coach in college football
explains the Kiffin hiring"
How so? Lane Kiffin is 6'4" according to his profile
explains the Kiffin hiring"
How so? Lane Kiffin is 6'4" according to his profile
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:10 am to CrimsonChin
Here is the deal with Saban, something I have said since bama hired him.
The majority of his success is due to superior talent. It is why he was no better than a .500 coach in the NFL. It is also why he was 6-6 his first regular season at bama before signing the greatest and highest paid class in NCAA history (2008) which turned it around.
As for coaching, he is above average but nothing exceptional. He is a very good defensive coach and below average offensively. His style is extremely basic and succeeds primarily due to the talent advantage as said. It is basic football - play good defense, control the ball on offense, win the line of scrimmage. Without superior talent it is .600 coaching or so. With superior talent it is not going to lose a game it shouldn't and will win the vast majority of the time.
His "process" is nothing exactly groundbreaking. It is just attention to detail with a very meticulous plan covering all aspects of a program down to the smallest detail, combined with an obsessive never-ending year round work ethic/grind. The work ethic saban has is the engine that makes it run. The media always loves to talk about how coaches work around the clock all year, yada, yada. Saban is the one that actually does it though and the man is the most obsessive thing I have ever seen about it.
The majority of his success is due to superior talent. It is why he was no better than a .500 coach in the NFL. It is also why he was 6-6 his first regular season at bama before signing the greatest and highest paid class in NCAA history (2008) which turned it around.
As for coaching, he is above average but nothing exceptional. He is a very good defensive coach and below average offensively. His style is extremely basic and succeeds primarily due to the talent advantage as said. It is basic football - play good defense, control the ball on offense, win the line of scrimmage. Without superior talent it is .600 coaching or so. With superior talent it is not going to lose a game it shouldn't and will win the vast majority of the time.
His "process" is nothing exactly groundbreaking. It is just attention to detail with a very meticulous plan covering all aspects of a program down to the smallest detail, combined with an obsessive never-ending year round work ethic/grind. The work ethic saban has is the engine that makes it run. The media always loves to talk about how coaches work around the clock all year, yada, yada. Saban is the one that actually does it though and the man is the most obsessive thing I have ever seen about it.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 8:11 am
Posted on 1/12/14 at 8:44 am to Rebman601
He's an average to above average gameday coach... when talent is relatively equal, he's not scared to frick it up. He seems to only lose to to 10 teams (which is pretty amazing btw).
it's the things that give him that talent advantage that make him a great coach. It's not just recruiting... Talent evaluation, S&C program, roster management, hiring a great staff, etc. plus he does a great job of recruiting defensive talent to fit his scheme.
it's the things that give him that talent advantage that make him a great coach. It's not just recruiting... Talent evaluation, S&C program, roster management, hiring a great staff, etc. plus he does a great job of recruiting defensive talent to fit his scheme.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:04 am to GoBigOrange86
quote:It's actually nothing very different from success in all of life's endeavours. Perserverance, preparation, perspiration, all revolving around a master plan (process). I was in a "p" mood.
I think this is actually an interesting, broader question about coaching in general. What is it that makes Nick Saban, for example, so successful? Why is he so able to get teams to buy into his system and other coaches are not? We rip on bad coaches all the time, but the fact is that any head coach in a Division I conference knows a whole hell of a lot about football. What separates the good head coaches from the bad?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:08 am to RollTide1987
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Obvious troll but, after 7 seasons, Saban has a better winning percentage and more national titles than Bryant had after his first 7 seasons with the Tide.
Winning with Shula's recruits...
Posted on 1/12/14 at 9:20 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:A lot of that is because he had a shitty QB.
The majority of his success is due to superior talent. It is why he was no better than a .500 coach in the NFL
quote:We were doing pretty well until we had a few starters suspended for the second half of the season.
It is also why he was 6-6 his first regular season at bama
Posted on 1/12/14 at 10:13 am to CrimsonChin
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Of course we have a talent advantage over 100% of our competition
FIFY
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