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re: Is Nick Saban a better recruiter/talent evaluator or coach?
Posted on 8/3/12 at 11:45 pm to tennfanatic
Posted on 8/3/12 at 11:45 pm to tennfanatic
Coach Saban at UA is for them to determine. Coach Saban at LSU did several things well. Dinardo had actually got some decent talent but after about a decade of mediocrity (to be generous) the will, the confidence was not there. I remember clearly him saying the club had a 'deer-in-the-headlights' look at times, something to be gotten ridden of. Saban as a motivator proved himself top notch by guiding them to confidence, will, swagger (in time) as evidenced by taking a 2-9 team and winning CCG/BCS in two years then again another two years later (the swagger was displayed in 03 when several players openly said they wanted USC and that OU did not belong before the game ). He recruited tremendously of course. The better teams did not have apparent weaknesses so I would say his talent evaluation is excellent. 
to LSU's Coach Saban, good will and best wishes. UA's Coach Saban, well... 
don't get in the way.. 
to LSU's Coach Saban, good will and best wishes. UA's Coach Saban, well... don't get in the way.. This post was edited on 8/4/12 at 12:52 am
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 11:50 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
What Saban has done is pretty amazing. Coaching college football has never been more challenging, so major props to him. I would love to see what he could do in the NFL in a better situation than he had in Miami.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 11:55 pm to Zukitiger
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USC is LB U!
I hope you're joking.
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Saban would get better recruits at USC than he ever will at Bama.
I hope you're saying this because of what Cal has on offense. If you're saying USCw attracts more recruits via thier name then Bama well that just isn't true. Bama is the top program from a historical stand point, however a lot of recruits don't care about that. This is a what have you done lately generation.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 12:37 am to tennfanatic
No.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 12:40 am to Dalosaqy
IMO Saban is the best coach and the best talent evaluator in the country as far as college football, but I would say he's a better talent evaluator than a coach.I remember reading a quote from Belichick where he said that Nick Saban is the best talent evaluator that he's ever seen.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 12:54 am to Dalosaqy
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I hope you're saying this because of what Cal has on offense. If you're saying USCw attracts more recruits via thier name then Bama well that just isn't true. Bama is the top program from a historical stand point, however a lot of recruits don't care about that. This is a what have you done lately generation.
Do you really think USC isn't a historically top program? And USC is probably the trendiest football program of the past ten years.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 1:13 am to ChicagoVol
Because of it's location, USCw is probably the easiest school to recruit players to.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 3:13 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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I hope you're joking.
No....I'm not. Where have you been for the last 30 yrs?
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I hope you're saying this because of what Cal has on offense. If you're saying USCw attracts more recruits via thier name then Bama well that just isn't true. Bama is the top program from a historical stand point, however a lot of recruits don't care about that. This is a what have you done lately generation.
Well considering they have the #1 recruiting class this year by a wide margin I'd say recruits do care. And this is with that clown Lane kiffin as their coach. Don't you think Saban could do even better?
My statements are not to diss Bama they are a historic program and Saban fell right in with that. But to say they are above USC is kidding yourself.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 7:00 am to Zukitiger
Bama is the all-time greates program and its not debatable any more.
Maybe a few years ago an argument could have been made for OU, USC, and ND.
With the two most recent crystals its not debatable.
As much love as everyone thinks USC gets they get shafted alot.
They are the only team to be ranked #1 in both coaches and AP poll and not even get in the BCS.
They could have easily been in seveal other BCSCG, but had to settle for the rose bowl.
Nobody right now has the juice Bama has. I think last years rematch is a testament to that.
Maybe a few years ago an argument could have been made for OU, USC, and ND.
With the two most recent crystals its not debatable.
As much love as everyone thinks USC gets they get shafted alot.
They are the only team to be ranked #1 in both coaches and AP poll and not even get in the BCS.
They could have easily been in seveal other BCSCG, but had to settle for the rose bowl.
Nobody right now has the juice Bama has. I think last years rematch is a testament to that.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 7:07 am to tennfanatic
he got pwned in the NFL which is more level playing field.
he wins in college because he out-recruits everybody. did you know Alabama was favored in every.single.games in 2010 and 2011 season?
he wins in college because he out-recruits everybody. did you know Alabama was favored in every.single.games in 2010 and 2011 season?
Posted on 8/4/12 at 7:33 am to Crompdaddy8
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he got pwned in the NFL which is more level playing field.
15 - 17 is not getting pwned, imo. But, in the NFL he was an average coach to perhaps less than average.
I think he is a great recruiter and can evaluate talent.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 8:15 am to tennfanatic
One little aspect of Saban people over look is the players he rejects. If he rejects a recruit no matter how talented he is, there is usually a good reason why and woe to the team that picks him up because he is a five star and they just have to have him. Hmmm..... Robert Lane, Ryan Perilloux come to mind.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 8:34 am to tennfanatic
It’s a combination of his abilities and him coaching at Alabama. It's much easier to develop talent when you begin with great talent and it's easier to recruit to Alabama than most other schools.
Obviously Saban is older, wiser and more experienced now than when he was at Michigan State. However, he is essentially the same coach but his record and teams are much better at Alabama than they were at Michigan State. The main variable? He now coaches at Alabama.
Obviously Saban is older, wiser and more experienced now than when he was at Michigan State. However, he is essentially the same coach but his record and teams are much better at Alabama than they were at Michigan State. The main variable? He now coaches at Alabama.
This post was edited on 8/4/12 at 8:56 am
Posted on 8/4/12 at 8:46 am to Choctaw Hog
Head coach has less control with GM's, salary caps, and free agency.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 8:58 am to prplhze2000
"If he had a better situation at Miami"?? He took the job only because he was given complete control over the whole team; check book included. Or are you saying he would have done better with the Pats or Pack? And don't forget, he blamed the team doctor for the Fins not taking Brees, when, in fact, he had complete & final sayso over everything to do with the team. A great coach? Certainly. But do not make him out to be a god: he lost to ULLLLM & lost too many last play of the game type games as well. If I am recalling this correctly, his record in games decided by 7 points or less is a losing one? In which case, those are the games that coaching is supposed to decide the winner more often than not.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 9:04 am to Keltic Tiger
I'm not but even with total control, you don't have control over free agency and salary cap. Unfortunately its coming down to how good your GM is much more so than in the past as the GM better be a financial whiz.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 9:08 am to Hugo Stiglitz
Helluva recruiter and he develops them just fine. Gentry was a 3 star that was in LSU's backfield as much as their vaunted stable of backs in NOLA.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 9:08 am to Keltic Tiger
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lost too many last play of the game type games as well. If I am recalling this correctly, his record in games decided by 7 points or less is a losing one? In which case, those are the games that coaching is supposed to decide the winner more often than not.
Losing closing games is worse than getting whipped??
Interesting logic.
His W-L record is great, that is the most important thing.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 9:22 am to tennfanatic
He's the best coach in college football. The end.
75% of being a head coach in college football is evaluating and recruiting elite talent. No one does this better. Hell, Bama has had the #1 recruiting class in the nation 4 out of the last 5 years.
The other 25% is creating an environment of success and managing lots of egos (players and most of all boosters) Saban does this great too.
75% of being a head coach in college football is evaluating and recruiting elite talent. No one does this better. Hell, Bama has had the #1 recruiting class in the nation 4 out of the last 5 years.
The other 25% is creating an environment of success and managing lots of egos (players and most of all boosters) Saban does this great too.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 9:33 am to bona fide
Saban is the best talent evaluator in the country. He also has the best defensive mind in all of CFB. He recruits players that fit his scheme perfectly.
I can see how other coaches like Les Miles, Pete Carroll, and Lane Kiffin would be fun to play for because of their laid back personalities.... but thats what makes Saban such a good coach--he doesnt allow his players to become complacent and he demands 110% effort 24/7.
I can see how other coaches like Les Miles, Pete Carroll, and Lane Kiffin would be fun to play for because of their laid back personalities.... but thats what makes Saban such a good coach--he doesnt allow his players to become complacent and he demands 110% effort 24/7.
This post was edited on 8/4/12 at 9:34 am
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