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Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:06 am to thunderbird1100
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- Dominque Haskins hasn't gotten any better
Oh and it's Hawkins.
He played 10 less games this season but scored 10 more points, had 23 less player fouls, had 3 more steals, 2 more assists, had a slightly better free throw percentage, and shot 11% better from the 3 point line.
Nope, no improvement there either despite splitting time in the platoon system.
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- A. Poythress hasn't gotten any better
Played 8 games this season before going down with injury. But he had already scored about 20% of the points he did last season in a 40 game stretch. I think most fans would tell you he was disappearing a lot less then he did in the previous year, but that's a pretty poor example of improvement/decline.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 10:10 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:08 am to RT1941
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Now folks are trying to further weaken his coaching by questioning his ability to develop the talented players.
Well they do have that one loss leg to stand on.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:09 am to thunderbird1100
I wish Alabama had that poor developer of talent basketball coach to go with our poor X & O's football coach. 
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:09 am to BluegrassBelle
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Just looking at the stat line comparison WCS scored almost 100 more points than last season while only playing two more games,
Now check his freshman year, practically same averages. In fact, since we are pointing out shooting percentages. WCS shot 62.1% from the floor his freshman year and 57.2% as a junior.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:12 am to thunderbird1100
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- WCS hasn't gotten any better
Honestly, explain this one.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:13 am to c on z
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Honestly, explain this one.
To be fair on this one, he's been basically almost great from the start. Not much room to develop. The only thing he could have gotten better at was his offensive game which didn't really change at all though.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:14 am to thunderbird1100
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Now check his freshman year, practically same averages. In fact, since we are pointing out shooting percentages. WCS shot 62.1% from the floor his freshman year and 57.2% as a junior.
He also played 10 less games and had about 80 less attempts.
So congrats on one stat. Why don't we address the others from freshman year to now? He had 11 more assists, 23 more blocks (seeing as his DEFENSE improved significantly), had 7 more blocks than his freshman year, had 23 more steals, had 22 more offensive rebounds, and had 50 more defensive rebounds.
So you can hang up your shitty "no one improved since freshman year" argument on that alone, sweetheart.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:17 am to BluegrassBelle
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He also played 10 less games and had about 80 less attempts.
You understand this whole point of AVERAGES, right?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:18 am to thunderbird1100
Do you understand the multiple other stat categories I just laid out for you, not just on WCS? Or I guess we're just going to nitpick one stat here or there as representing the whole of development because that's the only way your argument sticks.
Your "no one has developed" point is incredibly moot.
Your "no one has developed" point is incredibly moot.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:19 am to BluegrassBelle
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Do you understand the multiple other stat categories I just laid out for you, not just on WCS? Or I guess we're just going to nitpick one stat here or there as representing the whole of development because that's the only way your argument sticks.
Like your amazing pointing out of FT shooting improving yet he rarely has ever shot FTs?
Congrats to Coach Cal, the great FT shooter developer of people who don't shoot FTs.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 10:20 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:25 am to thunderbird1100
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Like your amazing pointing out of FT shooting improving yet he rarely has ever shot FTs?
His FT percentage improved almost 20% while also taking 42 more attempts on the season. He attempted 128. In comparison, Frank Kaminsky attempted 156 on the most fouled team in the country.
But he also improved in offensive rebounds.
And defensive rebounds.
And steals.
And blocks.
So "WCS hasn't gotten any better" is categorically false. Not a hard concept to grasp except for you apparently.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 10:27 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:32 am to BluegrassBelle
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His FT percentage improved almost 20% while also taking 42 more attempts on the season
And shot a whopping 3 FTs a game
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But he also improved in offensive rebounds. - Offensive rebound % went down
And defensive rebounds. - Went up 1% but the same as freshman year
And steals. - % remained unchanged
And blocks. - uh, what? not even close
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 10:33 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:32 am to thunderbird1100
quote:Yet this player that started out great got even greater under Cal. Cal must have developed him just a smidge.
To be fair on this one, he's been basically almost great from the start. Not much room to develop.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:33 am to RT1941
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Yet this player that started out great got even greater under Cal.
No he hasn't, remained mostly unchanged looking at numbers
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:35 am to thunderbird1100
He is not, he's a very good coach.
But let's not pretend that Anthony Davis, John Wall, Boogie Cousins, etc. needed Cal, those guys would have been great whether they went to the University of Kentucky or Eastern Kentucky Mountain State Community College.
But let's not pretend that Anthony Davis, John Wall, Boogie Cousins, etc. needed Cal, those guys would have been great whether they went to the University of Kentucky or Eastern Kentucky Mountain State Community College.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:37 am to thunderbird1100
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And blocks. - uh, what? not even close
You said from freshman year or are you skewing your argument again to fit your agenda?
WCS fr: 60
WCS jr: 67
+7
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And defensive rebounds. - Went up 1% but the same as freshman year
WCS fr: 112
WCS jr: 162
+50
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And steals. - % remained unchanged
WCS fr: 24
WCS jr: 47
+23
And even if we went by your percentages that accounts for all three years, he still improved in categories. Which STILL negates your "WCS didn't improve" statement no matter how you want to twist it.
So thank you for again proving your point is moot.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:42 am to BluegrassBelle
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You said from freshman year or are you skewing your argument again to fit your agenda?
Clearly we were talking about 2 different things, I even made a point to put freshman year separately.
Overall his numbers look very similar, his PER has remained very much the same throughout his 3 years there. The only stats to significantly change either way overall was his:
FT Shooting - better every year, but never really shoots FTs so not really relevant
Blocks - Which went way up (2.1 -> 2.9) then way down (2.9 -> 1.7)
FG% - 62.1% -> 59.6% -> 57.2%
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:53 am to thunderbird1100
Ok so we'll look past WCS for the moment and use the advance stat percentages that you're clinging so hard to. Now to address all the rest of your baseless statements:
He improved in defensive rebound %, assist %, block %, FT%, and true shooting %.
So your statement here: False
Improved in points produced, defensive reb %, assist %, and true shooting %.
So your statement here: False
Dominique Hawkins*
He improved in true shooting %, point production, defensive rebound %, assist %, steal %, and block %.
So your statement here: False
I'm not going to judge a guy who went out with just 8 games in this season.
Because draft stock doesn't account for the talent around them also declaring. But just to humor your advanced stats once again.
Aaron Harrison has improved in defensive rebound % and steal %.
Andrew Harrison has improved in true shooting %, assist %, and steal %.
So while they declined in other areas (they're probably hurt most by the platoon system) they still improved in others.
Any other stats you want to throw out to prove your argument that no one on this team has gotten better under Cal? Because you're doing quite poorly.
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- D. Johnson hasn't gotten any better
He improved in defensive rebound %, assist %, block %, FT%, and true shooting %.
So your statement here: False
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- Marcus Lee hasn't gotten any better
Improved in points produced, defensive reb %, assist %, and true shooting %.
So your statement here: False
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- Dominque Haskins hasn't gotten any better
Dominique Hawkins*
He improved in true shooting %, point production, defensive rebound %, assist %, steal %, and block %.
So your statement here: False
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- A. Poythress hasn't gotten any better
I'm not going to judge a guy who went out with just 8 games in this season.
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- The twins haven't gotten any better and their NBA stock has gone from at one point 1st round to late 2nd and undrafted
Because draft stock doesn't account for the talent around them also declaring. But just to humor your advanced stats once again.
Aaron Harrison has improved in defensive rebound % and steal %.
Andrew Harrison has improved in true shooting %, assist %, and steal %.
So while they declined in other areas (they're probably hurt most by the platoon system) they still improved in others.
Any other stats you want to throw out to prove your argument that no one on this team has gotten better under Cal? Because you're doing quite poorly.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:55 am to thunderbird1100
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The only stats to significantly change either way overall was his
So you're saying he improved in some stats?
So the comment "no one has improved" is still categorically false.
Thanks again.
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