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re: Is Coach Cal a poor developer of talent?

Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:48 am to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:48 am to
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My team won, honey.


And? Wisky was a solid matchup for UK. Doesn't have anything to do with Cal's developmental abilities.

But I don't expect a part-time cheesehead to be able to grasp that concept. Maybe you can whine some more like your coach.
Posted by Patton
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:48 am to
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My team won, honey.


Posted by LegendOfCobb
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:49 am to
Cal says a lot of things. Most of which are mostly true. I wouldn't get caught up in the deets. The team watches about 5 minutes of film. Any more than that and kids lose focus. The coaches on the other hand watch plenty of film.
Posted by TxTiger82
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:49 am to
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Wisky was a solid matchup for UK.


Which your coach failed to prepare for.

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Doesn't have anything to do with Cal's developmental abilities.


It belies his hands off approach to the whole endeavor.

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part-time cheesehead


Ouch, I'm hurt.

quote:

Maybe you can whine some more like your coach.


You're the only one whining in this thread. I'm dropping truth.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:50 am to
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Cal went 38-1 this season. I think his system works just fine.



I'm not saying his system doesn't work, in fact, I said he is easily the best recruiter in the game. The problem I pointed out is he isn't developing anyone who is staying. He gets a shite ton of talent, and the ones that stay don't see their game advance any.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:50 am to
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You're the only one whining in this thread. I'm dropping truth.


That Cal doesn't develop players?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:51 am to
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He gets a shite ton of talent, and the ones that stay don't see their game advance any.


So the team goes from multiple losses last season to an almost undefeated run and NOBODY got better?
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:51 am to
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Seriously, how can you justify the fact that your team didn't watch a second of game film on the most efficient offense in the last decade?



wait, you believe this?
Posted by TxTiger82
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:52 am to
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That Cal doesn't develop players?


FYI the best counterargument would be to provide some examples of players he developed (i.e., players who improved over time at UK). It isn't like me to help the opposition make an argument but I'm starting to feel sorry for you.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:52 am to
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- WCS hasn't gotten any better Uhh, what?


LINK

Hasn't gotten any better
Posted by LegendOfCobb
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:53 am to
To some extent I think you're conflating the progression of their game with their draft stock. Those are two really different things. The NBA doesn't give two shits that Andrew Harrison became an immensely better player this year (on both ends of the floor) because he isn't a top level athlete. The league drafts on talent and potential.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:53 am to
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There's so much derp in this I'm not real sure where to begin.


You don't know where to begin because it's all correct. Not a single one of them have advanced since their freshmen years.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:53 am to
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FYI the best counterargument would be to provide some examples of players he developed (i.e., players who improved over time at UK). It isn't like me to help the opposition make an argument but I'm starting to feel sorry for you.


I feel sorry for you that you buy the BS that no one on the team has improved from last season.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:57 am to
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I feel sorry for you that you buy the BS that no one on the team has improved from last season.


Lol this is just morning entertainment for me. You're the one who is an actual fan of this abomination you call UK basketball.
Posted by Patton
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:58 am to


That abomination just went 38-1
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:58 am to
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So the team goes from multiple losses last season to an almost undefeated run and NOBODY got better?


You added Towns, Booker, Ulis, Lyles. I think that might have made the "difference".

WCS has remained mostly unchanged since his freshman season, which no doubt he's been good throughout.

The twins are still mediocre players and have seen their stock plummet.

Lee and Haskins are practically irrelevant from last year to this year.
Posted by UKWildcats
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:59 am to
Is OP a poor starter of troll threads?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:00 am to
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You don't know where to begin because it's all correct. Not a single one of them have advanced since their freshmen years


Just looking at the stat line comparison WCS scored almost 100 more points than last season while only playing two more games, had less player fouls, had 3 more steals than last season, had more defensive rebounds, and increased his FT percentage by almost 20%.

But yep, no improvement there. And that's just WCS.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:00 am to
quote:

To some extent I think you're conflating the progression of their game with their draft stock


Only mentioned that with 1 set
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 10:00 am to
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Is Coach Cal a poor developer of talent?
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Holy crap I hope that you are not serious.

Last week they tried to weaken CJC's coaching ability by saying he wasn't a good X & O's coach - he was nothing more than a great recruiter with 6-7 McDonalds All American's. He just out talents the opponent and doesn't really need to coach 'em because they are the most talented/gifted players on the court.

Now folks are trying to further weaken his coaching by questioning his ability to develop the talented players.

WTF will people come up with next to diminish the accomplishments of one of the best coaches in college basketball?
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