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Is Coach Cal a poor developer of talent?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:26 am
Don't get me wrong, he is easily the best recruiter in the game, but doesn't it seem like he never gets MORE out of the players who end up staying?
To me developing talent in college basketball means you see a literal improvement in players as they stay over the course of more than 1 year. Their first year little actual development takes place as they're playing since they are fresh out of high school and learning the new game. By their second year, they've had a full offseason and maturity growth into the new setting to really either see improvement in their game or not as developing or remain basically the same player and not develop.
It seems like Cal's players who have been staying aren't getting any better. Just look at his current flock of sophomores and juniors:
- WCS hasn't gotten any better
- D. Johnson hasn't gotten any better
- Marcus Lee hasn't gotten any better
- Dominque Haskins hasn't gotten any better
- A. Poythress hasn't gotten any better
- D. Willis hasn't gotten any better
- The twins haven't gotten any better and their NBA stock has gone from at one point 1st round to late 2nd and undrafted
That's all of his upper classmen and not a single one has improved notably since their freshman seasons.
To me developing talent in college basketball means you see a literal improvement in players as they stay over the course of more than 1 year. Their first year little actual development takes place as they're playing since they are fresh out of high school and learning the new game. By their second year, they've had a full offseason and maturity growth into the new setting to really either see improvement in their game or not as developing or remain basically the same player and not develop.
It seems like Cal's players who have been staying aren't getting any better. Just look at his current flock of sophomores and juniors:
- WCS hasn't gotten any better
- D. Johnson hasn't gotten any better
- Marcus Lee hasn't gotten any better
- Dominque Haskins hasn't gotten any better
- A. Poythress hasn't gotten any better
- D. Willis hasn't gotten any better
- The twins haven't gotten any better and their NBA stock has gone from at one point 1st round to late 2nd and undrafted
That's all of his upper classmen and not a single one has improved notably since their freshman seasons.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 9:27 am
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:29 am to thunderbird1100
duck
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:31 am to thunderbird1100
Cal has repeatedly stated that he (a) prefers scrimmage over "practice" and that (b) he doesn't gameplan for other teams ("my guys just need to play well").
Yea...he doesn't develop shite. He barely even coaches them.
Yea...he doesn't develop shite. He barely even coaches them.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:32 am to thunderbird1100
It's because he keeps bringing in super stud recruits who take playing time away from these players which hinders development. I really like the twin's game, but maybe it's not Cal's development but just a talent ceiling for them noticed by NBA scouts that is making their stock drop?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:36 am to thunderbird1100
Cal went 38-1 this season. I think his system works just fine.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:39 am to bamafan1001
Exactly
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:41 am to bamafan1001
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Cal went 38-1 this season. I think his system works just fine.
Maybe he should have game planned for Wisconsin (he didn't).
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:41 am to bamafan1001
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Cal went 38-1 this season. I think his system works just fine.
i'm not arguing either side but the question the op asked wasn't about cal's system and how it worked.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:43 am to TxTiger82
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Yea...he doesn't develop shite. He barely even coaches them.
And yet, he almost beat the "non rent a player" coach of the century's greatest "developed" team ever.
He develops them just fine.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:43 am to BluegrassBelle
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And yet, he almost beat the "non rent a player" coach of the century's greatest "developed" team ever.
Because he had superior talent from the beginning. You don't even realize how bad this argument is.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 9:44 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:44 am to thunderbird1100
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- WCS hasn't gotten any better
Uhh, what?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:44 am to TxTiger82
And you don't even realize how asshurt you look that you've all up in this thread bitching about Cal.
Maybe Bo Ryan will get in the HOF next year.
Maybe Bo Ryan will get in the HOF next year.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:44 am to MoreOrLes
This is a response thread from the recruiting board I see we have here.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:45 am to BluegrassBelle
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BluegrassBelle
Seriously, how can you justify the fact that your team didn't watch a second of game film on the most efficient offense in the last decade?
Didn't learn their tendencies. Didn't think about matchups. Didn't have multiple defensive looks prepared. Didn't strategize at all.
Kentucky lost because of Cal. That's a fact.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:45 am to thunderbird1100
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- WCS hasn't gotten any better - D. Johnson hasn't gotten any better - Marcus Lee hasn't gotten any better - Dominque Haskins hasn't gotten any better - A. Poythress hasn't gotten any better - D. Willis hasn't gotten any better - The twins haven't gotten any better and their NBA stock has gone from at one point 1st round to late 2nd and undrafted
There's so much derp in this I'm not real sure where to begin.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:45 am to BluegrassBelle
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how asshurt you look
My team won, honey.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:46 am to thunderbird1100
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Is Coach Cal a poor developer of talent?
Holy crap I hope that you are not serious.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:46 am to TxTiger82
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Seriously, how can you justify the fact that your team didn't watch a second of game film on the most efficient offense in the last decade?
The fact that you're gullible enough to buy that statement says all it needs to say.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:46 am to BluegrassBelle
I stopped reading after the first bulletted point because it might be the dumbest thing anyone has ever said on tRant.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:47 am to BluegrassBelle
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The fact that you're gullible enough to buy that statement says all it needs to say.
Cal said it, not me. It was all over the media. You are the one who is motivated to overlook such a statement because of your identity as a UK fan.
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