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re: Is Avery Johnson's contract really 6 years 18 million?
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:17 pm to Patton
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:17 pm to Patton
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A very underratted but crucial aspect of this hire. To go from a guy like Marshall to Prohm or some other "up and comer" would have killed a lot of buzz being generated this offseason. AJ is a name that can get the fans fired up. That's huge. The AD doesn't necessarily have to sell the hire to the Fanbase
Like I said above, the ticket sales and other revenues they make from this compared to Prohm or White will probably make up whatever difference in contracts there is from $2.5M to $2.95M (Scarbo said his deal is a hair under $3M).
They were on the edge of losing people for a long time until Prohm/White proved themselves. This hire instantly got people jacked again. He may suck and people may lose that feeling, but this hire has had the effect on Alabama people the way Pearl did on Auburn.
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Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:17 pm to the808bass
He's making 1 mil less than his last contract. His resume is enough to warrant the contract he received.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:17 pm to the808bass
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To be clear, I don't think its a bad hire. There's obvious positives to it. I think there's obvious potential for problems as well.
I think that is the position of most of us. Risk/reward type hire that middle of the back basketball program like us have to make sometimes.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They were on the edge of losing people for a long time until Prohm/White proved themselves. This hire instantly got people jacked again. He may suck and people may lose that feeling, but this hire has had the effect on Alabama people the way Pearl did on Auburn.
As I said, Bama basketball was really at an inflection point. Some underwhelming hire like Prohm/White/Pitino would just have sucked the life out of the program. Those hires were a bigger risk than CAJ. We needed the excitement and energy of a big name hire. As far as his salary goes, it's commiserate with a guy like CAJ's resume
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:24 pm to 14&Counting
I think it's too much but many Bama fans are hellbent on convincing themselves that this is a smart move.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:25 pm to the808bass
High school to college is a step up in competition. NBA to SEC basketball is a significant step down. It makes little sense to knock AJ for not having college experience when he's had plenty of success at a level higher than where he's currently employed. If a former college coach of the year were hired to coach a high school team wouldn't you expect big things from that high school team?
This post was edited on 4/7/15 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:25 pm to RTR America
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He's making 1 mil less than his last contract. His resume is enough to warrant the contract he received.
He has 5 years and some change head coaching experience in the NBA with two separate teams. He was fired from both jobs and has a 58% winning percentage.
I get the hire. I like a lot of aspects of it. I just don't know why yall have to oversell it.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:25 pm to RollTide4Ever
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I think it's too much but many Bama fans are hellbent on convincing themselves that this is a smart move.
Honest, non snarky question in response : Who would you have preferred? Keep in mind -
- Marshall said no
- Archie Miller had no interest
- the pool of candidates was Prohm, White, Avery Johnson, Underwood
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:26 pm to RollTide4Ever
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I think it's too much but many Bama fans are hellbent on convincing themselves that this is a smart move.
What would you envision as an alternative?
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Like I said above, the ticket sales and other revenues they make from this compared to Prohm or White will probably make up whatever difference in contracts there is from $2.5M to $2.95M (Scarbo said his deal is a hair under $3M).
They were on the edge of losing people for a long time until Prohm/White proved themselves. This hire instantly got people jacked again. He may suck and people may lose that feeling, but this hire has had the effect on Alabama people the way Pearl did on Auburn.
A lot of people in this thread don't get this part of it. They are taking a very myopic and incomplete view regarding how much Alabama is paying / should be paying Johnson. It's humorous that these guys are lecturing Bill Battle, of all people, on sound financial and business transactions.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:29 pm to the808bass
He had 4 50 win seasons in Dallas. He took over a 12 win Nets team that was moving cities and has one of the worst front offices in basketball. It swayed the numbers a bit.
I'm not overselling anything. I'm correcting people underselling it with false narratives.
I'm not overselling anything. I'm correcting people underselling it with false narratives.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:30 pm to RTR America
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He had 4 50 win seasons in Dallas.
No. He didn't.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:32 pm to the808bass
Yep sorry he only went 16-2 in his 1st season. My bad.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:32 pm to the808bass
The problem with Bama folks is they just want a "homerun" hire---that obscures them from people who would be effective in the job. This is a boom or bust move here, no question.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:33 pm to the808bass
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No. He didn't.
You are right, just two 60+ win seasons, a 50+ win season, and a 16-2 partial season.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:34 pm to RTR America
Yea, I think this is a super intriguing and interesting hire with what seems like some really interesting upside potential. I think, because I watch the NBA a lot and listen to and read about the NBA a lot, that Avery Johnson was a decent NBA coach. He wasn't a master X's and O's guy, but he wasn't a dope either. He honestly seemed to have the problem a lot of college football coaches have when they go to the NFL, that he liked to manage every little thing that happened. Professionals don't love that, and eventually it wears thin. ESPECIALLY when you aren't winning.
I think that he has a unique skillset that SHOULD translate well to the college game : he has a great personality, he has a famous name/face/voice from his time playing, coaching and being on TV, he is a people person, he is a great guy, everyone he meets seems to come away liking him (except Deron Williams who is a bitch). On top of that he has legitimate connections with Texas AAU ball and knows the AAU circuit from his time as a dad with his kid.
However, he has never coached in college. He has never dealt with college time restrictions. He has never dealt with moronic 18 year old kids (other than his own). He may lose his mind and the kids may hate him. I really have no idea. That is the risk.
With all that said, I think the possible rewards outweigh the risks, and for a basketball program like ours the potential ceiling and national spotlight that this will bring far outweighs the negatives. And it really outweighs our other potential candidates.
So I am happy and excited, but I understand that this isn't a slam dunk like Saban was. I think we all do.
I think that he has a unique skillset that SHOULD translate well to the college game : he has a great personality, he has a famous name/face/voice from his time playing, coaching and being on TV, he is a people person, he is a great guy, everyone he meets seems to come away liking him (except Deron Williams who is a bitch). On top of that he has legitimate connections with Texas AAU ball and knows the AAU circuit from his time as a dad with his kid.
However, he has never coached in college. He has never dealt with college time restrictions. He has never dealt with moronic 18 year old kids (other than his own). He may lose his mind and the kids may hate him. I really have no idea. That is the risk.
With all that said, I think the possible rewards outweigh the risks, and for a basketball program like ours the potential ceiling and national spotlight that this will bring far outweighs the negatives. And it really outweighs our other potential candidates.
So I am happy and excited, but I understand that this isn't a slam dunk like Saban was. I think we all do.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:34 pm to RollTide4Ever
The AD correctly gauged that he needed a splashy hire. The basketball program has money to burn. So he did both. It's good self-preservation for himself.
Our AD didn't get any of that. And now we have a new one.
Our AD didn't get any of that. And now we have a new one.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:35 pm to elposter
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quote: No. He didn't. You are right, just two 60+ win seasons, a 50+ win season, and a 16-2 partial season.
And then he was fired.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:36 pm to RollTide4Ever
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that obscures them from people who would be effective in the job
A lot of people said Grant was "effective" in the job. Winning seasons, decent records, no trouble. People were ready to roll the dice a bit this time around.
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This is a boom or bust move here, no question.
That's probably pretty accurate. Even just being Grant-like okay will be seen as a bust this time around.
Posted on 4/7/15 at 4:36 pm to RollTide4Ever
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The problem with Bama folks is they just want a "homerun" hire---that obscures them from people who would be effective in the job
Like who? Again, who would you have hired?
Prohm? The guy who is coaching at the Kentucky of the Missouri Valley? He's been to the NCAAT 1 time (with Billy Kennedy's team). He may end up being a great coach, but as of now he has done nothing but beat up on a super poor RPI schedule and choked in his conference tournament.
Michael White? See Prohm. I actually really like White, I think he could have turned into a solid coach, but apparently his demeanor is as dry as Grant's and he hates interacting with the media and anyone outside the program. That sound like a good fit after Grant?
I don't just like this hire because Johnson is fun and brash and personable, I like it because he won in the NBA for 3 years and I think he is a good enough basketball coach to win in the SEC.
Again, what is your alternative?
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