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re: Interesting tidbit from the Chris Lowe all-access Saban article re: Mo Smith
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:26 pm to mmjones87
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:26 pm to mmjones87
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Bama posters on here, he had been passed on the Depth Chart.
Mo was the starting nickel. Sheffield had been passed by a true freshman.
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:27 pm to mmjones87
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They claimed the same for Smith.
No they didn't. Smith was clearly starting at nickel according to Saban himself and pretty much anyone who knew the defense. And almost everyone here agreed with it.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Has Saban never had a player transfer? If yes, then it smells like damage control.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:29 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Has Saban never had a player transfer? If yes, then it smells like damage control.
Has he ever had a guy who was going to start his senior year transfer to an SEC school to play the exact same position for his senior year?
No, I don't think he has had anything like that.
Has he had young guys transfer for more PT, didn't like the program, were in the doghouse, etc etc? Yes. We've had 5-6 of those in the last 6 months alone. But not a guy who was going to be a contributor transfer to another school to basically take the accept same role. This is the first time I can ever remember that.
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:38 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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He's literally playing the same role at UGA that he was slotted to play at Alabama : nickel. He will see almost exactly the same number of snaps at the same position at UGA. So no, it wasn't playing time. If it was that simple I doubt Saban would have the same reaction of trying to figure out why Smith wanted out and wanted to go somewhere where he will do the same thing.
You're wasting your breath bro. Any chance to bash Bama or Saban, TRant jumps all over it.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
No it's aight just listen to a Saban presser. He'll say it sooner or later.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:44 pm to SummerOfGeorge
From a business standpoint I am a fan of Saban. He is the best there is and maybe ever was at his job.
Having said that, I think what he told Lowe is complete and total bullshite. He processes players every year and the gray shirt rules were basically put in place because of Saban telling players when they arrived for fall ball that they would not have a scholly until the Spring or next year. He did this at LSU and he continued to do it at Bama.
There is inconsistency here in what he says (which is easy) and what he does (which is undeniable).
I personally know several players that have played for him and they would tell you this is bullshite too.
I am sure, as a Catholic and staring at the tail-end of his career, he would like to think of himself in this way, but his ambition, determination and desire for perfection will always outweigh his personal affinity for individual players. It is simply the way he is wired.
Having said that, I think what he told Lowe is complete and total bullshite. He processes players every year and the gray shirt rules were basically put in place because of Saban telling players when they arrived for fall ball that they would not have a scholly until the Spring or next year. He did this at LSU and he continued to do it at Bama.
There is inconsistency here in what he says (which is easy) and what he does (which is undeniable).
I personally know several players that have played for him and they would tell you this is bullshite too.
I am sure, as a Catholic and staring at the tail-end of his career, he would like to think of himself in this way, but his ambition, determination and desire for perfection will always outweigh his personal affinity for individual players. It is simply the way he is wired.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:46 pm to DeltaDoc
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He processes players every year
Like? Examples? Are we now to believe 5-stars leaving Alabama is Saban "processing" guys while when they leave LSU it's all candy and lollipops?
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the gray shirt rules were basically put in place because of Saban telling players when they arrived for fall ball that they would not have a scholly until the Spring or next year
The greyshirt rules have been around for a long, long time and have nothing to do with Nick Saban. John Parker Wilson came to Alabama under Mike Shula as a greyshirt.
And that's pretty rich coming from an LSU fan. I guess Les Miles needs some lessons too?
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:49 pm to SummerOfGeorge
What Saban is saying is bullshite. That is not how he feels. If you want to know what Saban really thinks, you need to ask the LSU fans on here. They know. They know.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:49 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Missing the most important part of this interview. Bama has 53 players in the NFL? That's an entire active roster. Last I saw, LSU has 43. Nearly two full teams of LSU/Bama players. Impressive
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:55 pm to DawgsLife
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"I've been coaching for 43 years, and to have what happened with Maurice Smith and his family, that's what I lose sleep over. We've got 53 players in the NFL and a whole bunch of other ones who aren't in the NFL and are very successful. But what I lay awake at night and think about is where did I fail a guy like Maurice Smith. What didn't I do, or what could I have done better?"
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It's hard for me, personally to argue against this
It's very easy to argue against it. Saban is an alpha, he is used to being the boss and people falling in line and doing what he says. When you have a kid who doesnt' GAS what saban thinks is best for him and wants to do his own thing, saban takes it personally.
Did he lie awake at night when black transferred to missouri? how bout all those kids he's processed over the years when the numbers got tight?
He didn't "fail" maurice smith at all, in any way. Smith just decided he'd rather play somehwere else other than alabama, which apparently blows saban's mind.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:57 pm to WG_Dawg
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Did he lie awake at night when black transferred to missouri?
No, probably not, because Black wasn't going to play at all and wanted PT. He will be a top receiver at Missouri. That makes sense. You can map that decision making process out pretty easily.
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He didn't "fail" maurice smith at all, in any way. Smith just decided he'd rather play somehwere else other than alabama, which apparently blows saban's mind.
Which is understandable. As long as it doesn't cause some sort of anger towards Mo Smith (which I don't think it does, but I don't know), it's understandable to see something like that as a failure and want to figure out what reason he had for wanting to leave and to want to fix it. And hell, it is probably as simple as Mo loves Kirby, wants to do something different and doesn't want to deal with Pruitt for some reason. Who knows. It isn't necessarily some specific process oriented thing that made him leave. But Saban deals in binary decisions, not emotional ones, so he's going to try and find the error in the code that led to this. Even if it doesn't exist.
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
First off, I am not criticizing Saban, nor am I saying Miles is innocent. The F'n story in the OP is about Saban. Quit acting emotional like a woman and actually think critically.
Second, Saban has "processed players" and has abused the grayshirt rules. Is he the only one, no...but he is the one in the article making illogical claims relative to his history. Since he has been at Bama this has been a practice of his which runs completely contrary to the latest fluff piece wherein Saban wants to be thought of as caring for players more than winning.
For example, here is an article from the Wall Street Journal about this practice from years ago.
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Second, Saban has "processed players" and has abused the grayshirt rules. Is he the only one, no...but he is the one in the article making illogical claims relative to his history. Since he has been at Bama this has been a practice of his which runs completely contrary to the latest fluff piece wherein Saban wants to be thought of as caring for players more than winning.
For example, here is an article from the Wall Street Journal about this practice from years ago.
LINK
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
wow the Bammers are so eaten up with this Smith athing they will believe anything spouted to cover someones arse.
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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"The thing I lose sleep over the most is not winning and losing the games. It's about players.
Yeah, right?
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Heath Evans, a former fullback and current NFL Network analyst, recounts the scene in a recent interview with Miami's 790 The Ticket: Jeno James, our best offensive lineman at the time, comes in and collapses after practice, Nick Saban literally just starts walking in, steps over Jeno James convulsing, doesn't say a word, doesn't try to help, goes upstairs
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-dolphin-says-nick-saban-walked-over-convulsing-player/
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/heath-evans-nick-saban-once-stepped-over-a-convulsing-player-on-the-field?urn=nfl,wp13450
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Later on, Saban told the team that the incident was some kind of "fear the captain" tactic:
Saban calls a team meeting about 10:30 that night. [He] comes down and says, "You know, the captain of the ship can never show fear or indecision, we've always gotta have an answer, and so I had to go upstairs. That's why I walked over Jeno like that, I had to collect my thoughts and decide what's best for our team."
https://deadspin.com/5866118/former-dolphin-says-nick-saban-calmly-stepped-over-convulsing-teammate-in-05
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:27 pm to DeltaDoc
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Second, Saban has "processed players" and has abused the grayshirt rules
Again - give me some examples here. We've had kids who at the last minute (the last minute before signing day, not the last minute before they moved into their dorms like some other schools in the SEC) were told that they would have to take a greyshirt or go elsewhere. That sucks for those kids. They all signed with other SEC schools or accepted greyshirts. It's a numbers game, that is how it works.
As far as "processing" players, how many Alabama players have been "kicked off the team" to make room for others in the last 5-7 years? Can you name any? I sure can't, and I pay pretty good attention.
His first few years yea, there were some we ran off. Shocking. No other coach does that his first few years. There are roughly 2-3 kids in almost 10 years of Saban's program that talk about how they felt mistreated. Pretty sure you can find 50-100 other programs with at least that many.
Point is, Saban is a lightning rod. All of these things that he has somehow been labeled as the devil for doing are things done the same way or much more often by other coaches around the country, but it's more fun to talk about it with this one because he wins and talking about him gets eyeballs.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:30 pm to Tiger Ree
Exactly. Saban is an assassin. He is a bad MFer and he is the best coach in America...in any sport IMO. However, he is not what he says he is in the interview. It is so far from what he is that it is laughable. I'd be surprised if he didn't have that shite-eatin' grin on his face when he said it.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:30 pm to Tiger Ree
Ah, the ole Heath Evans story. Chronicled Saban lover Heath Evans.
Yea, that story sounds shitty. And perhaps it is. Or he didn't quite understand the entire severity of what was going on with Jones. Either way, Saban has changed pretty dramatically since his insanely hot headed, terrifying days at LSU and with the Dolphins. Is he a chill hippie now? No. But he's far from that dude.
Yea, that story sounds shitty. And perhaps it is. Or he didn't quite understand the entire severity of what was going on with Jones. Either way, Saban has changed pretty dramatically since his insanely hot headed, terrifying days at LSU and with the Dolphins. Is he a chill hippie now? No. But he's far from that dude.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:48 pm to Tiger Ree
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Heath Evans, a former fullback and current NFL Network analyst, recounts the scene in a recent interview with Miami's 790 The Ticket: Jeno James, our best offensive lineman at the time, comes in and collapses after practice, Nick Saban literally just starts walking in, steps over Jeno James convulsing, doesn't say a word, doesn't try to help, goes upstairs
So that's the version of events sold by Auburn grad Heath Evans. What did Jason Taylor have to say about the same incident?
Jason Taylor says Heath Evans is FOS (and Heath's wife says no one should believe the cheater any way)
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After the interview, Taylor corroborated Saban’s version of events. “He cared deeply for his players. That’s why hearing the Heath Evans/Jeno James story bothers me,” Taylor said. “I was with Nick and Jeno and a handful of other players after the fact. But it did not happen the way it was reported. That’s not true.”
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:50 pm to bamasgot13
Heath Evans is a loudmouth idiot. Shocking.
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