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Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:05 am to 5Wide
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Back to back Cotton Bowl champion, responsible for getting Sumlin an NFL job.
You went too hard early on. Should have buried the hook a little more as it was a good one.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:49 am to StopRobot
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Going to assume this is parody and not delusion but hard to tell on the internets. Nick Saban's greatest foe? Seriously? Jordan Jefferson beat Saban more than Manziel
He is easily Saban's greatest foe. The contrast in the two kinds of football they represent is the stuff of legend. Manziel is a process destroyer. His greatest moments come in times of chaos. Saban needs order. He fears chaos. He needs a process. Manziel represents everything Saban tries to eliminate on a football field.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:53 am to DWag215
I don't think the off the field stuff will factor in too much, and some of it will depend upon whether or not he produces at the next level. Assuming he has some modicum of success in the NFL (not necessarily a Hall of Fame career, just that he's productive in the league for a respectable period of time), then he'll be viewed a lot like Archie Manning at Ole Miss--an all time great who didn't have a good enough supporting cast to get a championship. If he goes on to have a great NFL career, it will be a little bit more of a legend in the making. If he's an NFL bust, then he will be viewed as a guy whose talents perfectly fitted the college game, but not the pros.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:53 am to parkjas2001
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Not after 1 win, he aint.
Brandon Cox
Jason Campbell
Cam Newton
All had the same number of wins against Saban...and didn't lose to him.
Still scored more points than anyone ever thought possible against Saban, and put up more yards than Alabama has ever given up in their history. Saban is .500 against Manziel, but even an slightly below average Aggie defense would have changed that. If you don't think Manziel is Saban's greatest foe you're crazy. Saban has been less successful against other players, no doubt, but that's because it is a team sport.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:54 am to StopRobot
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Nick Saban's greatest foe? Seriously? Jordan Jefferson beat Saban more than Manziel
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:57 am to DWag215
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If TAMU goes 8-4, what's JFF's legacy?
First redshirt freshman Heisman winner.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 9:58 am to GumpMaster&Commander
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If TAMU goes 8-4, what's JFF's legacy?
That of a QB who carried his team to 8 wins despite having almost no defense whatsoever.
19-6 in two years at aTm is a nice legacy, especially when the second season would have been a total loss without JFF on campus.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:06 am to TeLeFaWx
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He is easily Saban's greatest foe. The contrast in the two kinds of football they represent is the stuff of legend. Manziel is a process destroyer. His greatest moments come in times of chaos. Saban needs order. He fears chaos. He needs a process. Manziel represents everything Saban tries to eliminate on a football field.
So it was delusion. "Process destroyer"? Really? Manziel has had exactly ZERO effect on the fortunes of Saban.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:08 am to TeLeFaWx
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Saban has been less successful against other players, no doubt, but that's because it is a team sport.
Tebow and Garcia single handily beat Saban led Bama teams too.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:29 am to StopRobot
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Tebow and Garcia single handily beat Saban led Bama teams too.
What are their career stats vs Saban? Have you seen Manziels?
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:31 am to TeLeFaWx
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What are their career stats vs Saban? Have you seen Manziels?
1-1
Hell, Daniel Cobb went 1-1 against Saban.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:31 am to TeLeFaWx
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He is easily Saban's greatest foe.
I think that "Saban's biggest thorn in foot" would more accurately describe Manziel vs. Saban.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:31 am to StopRobot
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So it was delusion. "Process destroyer"? Really? Manziel has had exactly ZERO effect on the fortunes of Saban.
Saban was bailed out by Baylor shocking K-State, Colt McCoy's vagina, and Iowa State knocking off Oklahoma State, and the 2013 Aggie defense being historically terrible.
Saban's fortunes are FAR beyond his control. Manziel being on of the things he had some semblance of control over, but Manziel STILL dominated his defenses.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:32 am to PharmacistReb
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His legacy will be like OJ's legacy. Double murder. Maybe a meth lab explosion. Small scale terrorism.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:32 am to parkjas2001
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1-1
Hell, Daniel Cobb went 1-1 against Saban.
Those are Texas A&M's stats vs Saban. Not Manziel's.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:32 am to Funky Tide 8
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I think that "Saban's biggest thorn in foot" would more accurately describe Manziel vs. Saban.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:34 am to DWag215
Heisman winner and was the leader of one of the best offenses in college football. The losses are the fault of Kevin Sumlin and a horrible defense. No team should lose scoring 40+ points a game.
He was hardly a system QB. Not sure how his success will translate to the pro game, but he has nothing to hang his head about when it comes to his production and effort on the field.
He was hardly a system QB. Not sure how his success will translate to the pro game, but he has nothing to hang his head about when it comes to his production and effort on the field.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:35 am to TeLeFaWx
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If TAMU goes 8-4, what's JFF's legacy?
JFF legacy shaping up like Archie Manning.
Posted on 10/22/13 at 10:36 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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He was hardly a system QB. Not sure how his success will translate to the pro game, but he has nothing to hang his head about when it comes to his production and effort on the field.
I don't think it does, personally. I think he will be okay, but his dominance will never be anything like it was in college.
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