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re: If Saban left tomorrow, how long would a decline take?
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:51 pm to BranchDawg
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:51 pm to BranchDawg
Tomorrow - 7 years. The roster is loaded and the next coach (if average) would benefit from that both on the field and in recruiting, but the decline would show in 6-8 years. Keeping in mind that a bama decline is a 3 to 4 years of a 3 to 4 loss season.
The bryant situation was different. The recruiting decline occurred before he left. He was too old (This matters. A lot of kids don't want to play for great grandpaw and is why Saban dyes his hair) and in poor health. He should have retired 4 years before he did. The same will occur with Saban if he sticks around until he's 70-80.
The bryant situation was different. The recruiting decline occurred before he left. He was too old (This matters. A lot of kids don't want to play for great grandpaw and is why Saban dyes his hair) and in poor health. He should have retired 4 years before he did. The same will occur with Saban if he sticks around until he's 70-80.
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Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:53 pm to Tillman
This
contradicts this
all in the same post.
So does the SEC winning a bunch of National titles mean they're not good?
Or does them winning just 1 of the last 4 national titles mean they're not good?
You see you contradicted yourself right? You made an argument for and against a conference winning national titles.
But taking your first point
Winning them back to back to back to back to back to back to back does.
That's 7 years in a row with 4 different schools.
But if you don't accept that...
The SEC finished 1st or 2nd in bowl win % for 10 years in a row...2007-2016. Finishing 1st 6 of those 10 years.
That is a direct measure of conference strength.
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fact SEC team won titles doesn't mean the SEC was best conference overall. teams win titles, not conferences.
contradicts this
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keep in mind, a SEC team has only won 1 of the last 4 natties.
all in the same post.
So does the SEC winning a bunch of National titles mean they're not good?
Or does them winning just 1 of the last 4 national titles mean they're not good?
You see you contradicted yourself right? You made an argument for and against a conference winning national titles.
But taking your first point
quote:
fact SEC team won titles doesn't mean the SEC was best conference overall. teams win titles, not conferences.
Winning them back to back to back to back to back to back to back does.
That's 7 years in a row with 4 different schools.
But if you don't accept that...
The SEC finished 1st or 2nd in bowl win % for 10 years in a row...2007-2016. Finishing 1st 6 of those 10 years.
That is a direct measure of conference strength.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:54 pm to Tillman
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SEC team won titles doesn't mean the SEC was best conference overall. teams win titles, not conferences.
But it's also worth noting that in several of the years that the SEC won the NC, even if that team hadn't been around, ANOTHER SEC team would have won it.
2008: Florida won the title, but if they hadn't been around, Alabama would have (got knocked out of BCSNCG by Florida in SECCG)
2009: Alabama won the title, but if they hadn't been around, Florida would have (got knocked out of BCSNCG by Alabama in SECCG)
2011: Alabama won the title, but if they hadn't been around, LSU would have (lost to Alabama in BCSNCG)
2012: Alabama won the title, but if they hadn't been around, Georgia would have (got knocked out of BCSNCG by Alabama in SECCG)
In addition to those clear cases where another SEC team would have won it, there are also others where there's a good chance it might have happened, but not as certain:
2006: Florida won the title, but LSU probably would have if Florida hadn't been around (finished 4th in BCS with a loss to Florida, without that loss and without Florida ahead of us, we probably would have gone to BCSNCG and beaten Ohio State)
2007: LSU won the title, but Georgia was also in close contention
It wasn't just the number of BCS titles the SEC won, or the number of different teams who won them, it was that most of that time, there were multiple SEC teams who would have won the NC if the one who did hadn't.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:55 pm to BranchDawg
I honestly don't think they will decline. They will always recruit well and Alabama is arguably the best coaching gig in college football.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 2:48 pm to Nuts4LSU
a lot of that is SEC bias which played huge role.
I think Okla State or Oregon/Stanford could have beat LSU that year but they put Bama in there because of SEC bias.
now that we have a playoff, i think you will see less SEC teams winning. so far only 1 out of 3 playoff seasons ended with a SEC champ.
Saban and Meyer have the majority of the SEC titles the past 15 years. it is about the coach, not the conference.
I think Okla State or Oregon/Stanford could have beat LSU that year but they put Bama in there because of SEC bias.
now that we have a playoff, i think you will see less SEC teams winning. so far only 1 out of 3 playoff seasons ended with a SEC champ.
Saban and Meyer have the majority of the SEC titles the past 15 years. it is about the coach, not the conference.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:01 pm to BranchDawg
3 years
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:12 pm to texag7
Yes Alabama has been historically very good and near the top. Many believe Saban is the best CFB coach of all time and is certainly in the argument. So it comes down to which one contributed the most: Saban or Alabama to this recent success.
I believe Saban was a better coach at LSU than he was at Michigan ST. I believe Saban is a better coach at Alabama than he was at LSU.
If you had to rank the three programs in history or even recently anybody with a brain would go Bama, LSU, MSU. So one could surmise that Alabama contributed more, but I believe that is incorrect.
First, it assumes Saban didn't improve as a coach and recruiter over the years. I believe he did improve. Also, this would ignore the humbling experience of Miami(NFL).
So my answer is simply that the decline will start the day he is no longer coach at Bama.
Yes Alabama will continue to win a bunch of football games as they always have. Does any Bama fan really believe that if Saban had stayed at LSU that Bama would be considered at this point the better program of the two? A delusional wish on anybody that does. Hell, if he stayed at Michigan State, does anybody believe that they would be considered better than Bama and LSU. I think so.
I believe Saban was a better coach at LSU than he was at Michigan ST. I believe Saban is a better coach at Alabama than he was at LSU.
If you had to rank the three programs in history or even recently anybody with a brain would go Bama, LSU, MSU. So one could surmise that Alabama contributed more, but I believe that is incorrect.
First, it assumes Saban didn't improve as a coach and recruiter over the years. I believe he did improve. Also, this would ignore the humbling experience of Miami(NFL).
So my answer is simply that the decline will start the day he is no longer coach at Bama.
Yes Alabama will continue to win a bunch of football games as they always have. Does any Bama fan really believe that if Saban had stayed at LSU that Bama would be considered at this point the better program of the two? A delusional wish on anybody that does. Hell, if he stayed at Michigan State, does anybody believe that they would be considered better than Bama and LSU. I think so.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:14 pm to Tillman
What's up with these Clemson losers posting here? Y'all have a couple good season then you think u can talk shite. Well hey welcome back to the cellar. Dabo will be exposed as a hack without Watson carrying his team
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:17 pm to JRBayoutiger
Clemson has had 6 ten plus win seasons in a row. only other program that has done the same is Alabama.
you love pushing false narratives. CLemson beat LSU a few years ago without Watson. i love how you are talking trash.
your team can't do anything on offense but you want to talk trash about Clemson. your team could not even score a point on Bama, at home, but you act like LSU is the bees knees.
when was Clemson 'in the cellar'. lol
you love pushing false narratives. CLemson beat LSU a few years ago without Watson. i love how you are talking trash.
your team can't do anything on offense but you want to talk trash about Clemson. your team could not even score a point on Bama, at home, but you act like LSU is the bees knees.
when was Clemson 'in the cellar'. lol
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:24 pm to tarzana
quote:You're full of shite. Bryant's last team was 8-4, 3-3 in conference, and their recruiting had become stale. Whoever gets the job next will probably step behind the controls of a well run machine...big difference.
You need to look no further than the decline of Bama after Bear Bryant. By 1984 they had a losing season (5-6) and although they had intermittent success over the next two decades, it wasn't til Saban was hired in 2007 that the Tide fully overcame mediocrity
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:32 pm to Tillman
You still never explained why a Clemson fan post here so much. Are y'all that jealous of the sec? Do y'all have the want to be in the sec? Well I don't think Clemson has the chest to join the sec.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:40 pm to tarzana
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although they had intermittent success over the next two decades
Not this same bullshait again.
They won the national title within a decade of Bryant retiring and averaged 10 wins a season all of Stallings' years.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:43 pm to Tillman
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when was Clemson 'in the cellar'. lol
How bout when y'all went 0-5 vs the cocks
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:58 pm to Tillman
quote:If there is a more stupid motherfricker that posts on this board, I have yet to encounter them.
fact SEC team won titles doesn't mean the SEC was best conference overall. teams win titles, not conferences.
keep in mind, a SEC team has only won 1 of the last 4 natties.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:37 pm to JRBayoutiger
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You still never explained why a Clemson fan post here so much. Are y'all that jealous of the sec? Do y'all have the want to be in the sec? Well I don't think Clemson has the chest to join the sec.
why do i need to explain it to you. why are you so focused on conference rather than just talking about college football? this conference cheerleader thing is so dumb.
you act like the man b/c you are a LSU fan.
you like being the internet tough guy. why don't you stay in your lane.
Clemson plays SEC teams OOC more than any other program. and is willing to play at SEC stadiums unlike a lot of OOC programs.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:38 pm to Tillman
It's the SECRANT. SEC is the key word here. We talk about SEC sports here.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:39 pm to thatdude1985
i rarely see you talk about sports at all. if i wasn't posting on here, you would rarely post. you are an anti-social stalker who does not appear to have a life.
you are so contentious and uptight.
you respond within 30 seconds every time i post on here.
you are so contentious and uptight.
you respond within 30 seconds every time i post on here.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:39 pm to BranchDawg
4 days, 3 hrs and 17 min.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:40 pm to Tillman
You are so easy to rile up.Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:40 pm to thatdude1985
says the guy who attacks me every time I post on here. obviously I got you riled up. i live in your brain rent free.
this isn't your website. you act like it is. if you want a website that only allows SEC team fans, start your own website. nobody is going to look at it though.
this isn't your website. you act like it is. if you want a website that only allows SEC team fans, start your own website. nobody is going to look at it though.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 5:47 pm
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