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Posted on 4/27/15 at 10:50 am to Wtodd
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Says a Kentucky fan
Did I mention Kentucky or say that we're a "real football program?" No, I didn't. My post is relevant.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 10:56 am to LSU Patrick
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It's going to really suck for Mizzou when the East isn't down anymore.
Since you will define that moment by Mizzou not being at the top of the East, I expect you will be right.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 10:58 am to WG_Dawg
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nothing more than what we've already done
Exactly what have y'all "already done, besides underachieve?
Let's look at it this way, do you think Richt could've won the SECEast the past two years with Pinkel's roster?
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 10:59 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:00 am to mizzoukills
He'd still come in second.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:03 am to kudzoo
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Exactly what have y'all "already done, besides underachieve?
1) Regardless of accomplishments, my post said that we wouldn't have accomplished anythign more with pinkel instead of richt. Even if hypothetically all we had ever done was win X and Y (whatever you my choose for those to represent), my point was that pinkel being here wouldn't mean we'd have won X, Y, and Z.
2) We've won 5 east titles, 2 SEC titles, played in 3 BCS bowls (winning 2), finished in the top 3 multiple times, finished in the top 10 nationally more times than we haven't, and have averaged winning 10 games a year since 2001. You can easily say we've underachieved if you'd like, but again my whole point was that we wouldn't have accomplished anything more than that wiht pinkel.
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do you think Richt could've won the SECEast the past two years with Pinkel's roster?
Idk, that's a completely irrelevant point. I know that richt is 2-1 against pinkel though and undefeated in columbia against him.
ETA: Here's the bottom line. They've both been a head coach since the same year, so that's apples to apples. Richt has coached in a much, MUCH tougher league during the majority of that time and has far more accolades and accomplishments to show for it. That's all I really need to know.
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 11:05 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:17 am to WG_Dawg
That's a typical UGA fan mindset. I'm thinking of natty's and you're not even considering them as a goal. 
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:18 am to kudzoo
are you fricking stupid? I answered your damn question
And I told you.
We're talking abotu things that have actually happened in real life from 2001-2014. We haven't won a title (neither has missouri). So when exactly should I have mentioned one? At what point were we to list out each program's goals, hopes, and dreams?
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Exactly what have y'all "already done
And I told you.
We're talking abotu things that have actually happened in real life from 2001-2014. We haven't won a title (neither has missouri). So when exactly should I have mentioned one? At what point were we to list out each program's goals, hopes, and dreams?
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 11:19 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:20 am to Korin
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If Pinkel had a team full of 4 and 5 star recruits
Imagine what he'd do at a program like Georgia.
I agree with this. Pinkel is definitely doing more with less compared to CMR.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:21 am to LSU Patrick
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It's going to really suck for Mizzou when the East isn't down anymore.
It will also suck for everyone else to admit that we can play a little.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:22 am to WG_Dawg
The original post is what would Pinkel have done with elite players. With all the talent that Richt has wasted, I think Pinkel would have won one.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:23 am to Korin
Mizzou got the number two rated kid this year didn't they?
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:24 am to Mud_Till_May
Yep.....a DE, Terry Beckner
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:25 am to cardboardboxer
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When you are dealing with only the elite of the elite they come in with egos, they come in with promised expectations of playing time. Only the Nick Saban's of the world have enough clout to put those kinds of kids in there place, all the other coaches are just trying to ride the lightening like Jimbo did.
I think DGB was a really really good example for that. Pinkel could get him to behave, to hit in his system design to maximize three stars. If Pinkel had a team full of DGBs and he is worse off than the team of three stars looking to prove themselves.
Wow I honestly never thought of that. Good point.
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 11:27 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:26 am to Aux Arc
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Since you will define that moment by Mizzou not being at the top of the East, I expect you will be right.
The East was already down some when Missouri joined the SEC. If you don't want to see that, then so be it. Florida is down farther, SC is down, and Tennessee still has not recovered. UGA is the only program that has been somewhat consistent in the East since Mizzou joined, but even that program saw its better years prior to 2012.
UGA is poised to have its best team since 2012 this year. Tennessee is expected to be much improved. Florida will and SC will probably struggle but will rebound soon, Florida sooner than later. I'll be shocked if Missouri finishes better than 3rd in the East this season, and by the end of next season, they will be 4th or 5th.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:26 am to mizzoukills
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If Pinkel had a team full of 4 and 5 star recruits...
it would mean that he was coaching somewhere other than Mizzou.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:27 am to kudzoo
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I think Pinkel would have won one.
based on what, exactly?
2007 they were "kinda" close, but lost to the 2 best teams on their schedule. Btw his 2007 team wasn't clearly better than our 2007 team either.
That's 1 year out of 14 that they sniffed a title. And before you say "well yeah, but the question is what would happen if they had better players!?!?"...well, it's his job to get good players. What would happen if Richt had a top 2 recruiting class the last 7 years like Saban has? We'd probably have a title. What would happen if ANY head coach in america had a roster full of 5 stars? They'd probably be better.
If pinkel had all 4 and 5 stars, it's insane to think they wouldnt' have had a better team. Of course they would. But so would a shite ton of other coaches if you gave them the same situation.
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:28 am to kudzoo
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The original post is what would Pinkel have done with elite players. With all the talent that Richt has wasted, I think Pinkel would have won one.
Don't know......on another board someone ask the question if GP was a wartime consigliere which is a legit question. I like GP & I don't want him retiring anytime soon but the fact of the matter is this: we haven't won a conference with him. The past 2 yrs we got out-played and out-coached in the 4th quarters of both games.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:30 am to LSU Patrick
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I'll be shocked if Missouri finishes better than 3rd in the East this season, and by the end of next season, they will be 4th or 5th.
Mizzou is actually getting better recruits since joining the SEC, doubt if they'll drop that far, if anything they'll keep improving. Takes time for the SEC caliber players from Georgia/Florida, etc to kick in. They were playing with a bunch of Texas boys that other schools looked over. Mizzou got the bottom of the barrel with the Texas kids and competed in the SEC, imagine if they got the kids that UT, aTm, Baylor, OU, Okie State, etc got.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:31 am to bayou2003
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if anything they'll keep improving
I fully agree with that, but you have to realize UT and UF can only go up from where they've been the last 5 years as well.
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