re: If Notre Dame is an elite program answer this

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Stupid comment. Some people just should not be allowed to post. He picked a school to coach and probably saw bigger dollars. Kelly at Notre Dame is not even in the top 60 of head coaching salaries.
Also, the reason he is at Ohio State is because he was born there. He was a GA there in his early years. OSU was his dream job. Learn something before you run your mouth.

My point being, it has NOTHING to do with Notre Dame unable to be elite again. Top coaches go where the money is. ND athletic dept is to blame. It's a GREAT job for a top coach if they paid better and recruited top coaches.

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So what exactly is your issue with what I posted? You seem to be making the point that they aren't attracting top coaches because they aren't investing money into the program and that ND is to blame. Meyer said he chose UF because it was easier to recruit. Whatever the reason, to me those look like problems with the ability to attract the top coaching talent.

And while we're talking about Meyer and all that I apparently don't know, Notre Dame was always listed as his dream school first and foremost. I've sat in a room and listened to him go on and on talking about Notre Dame.

Talking about UF:

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"I grew up in the North, and Notre Dame was my dream job. Probably always will be. That has nothing to do with this. ... This is the best job in America.

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In a radio interview:

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On Wednesday, Meyer told a Florida radio show that Notre Dame is "still my dream job; that hasn't changed."

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Auburn has just as good of a claim.

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A team that was banned from playing on TV and postseason play?

They're not currently elite but they are a blue blood. There's a difference. Blue blood status doesn't go away just like being a Boston Brahmin or from any other blue blood fam is an immutable rather than changeable thing.

Your house can fall on hard times but that part of your status remains.

Boston Brahmin for those not aware of the term (John Adams was a famous one via his family): LINK

historically yes, now not really

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Those teams have 20 MNC's, that leaves 20 more. Clemson has 2, that leaves 18. LSU has a couple, that leaves 16.

So ND has 1 of those remaining 16 MNC's. They are elite just living from way back in the past with all of their All Americans, coaches and Championships.

The thing that really sets them a part from the rest of us is their huge fan base. They are not just state, regional and national but even have international appeal. They have a huge following just from Catholics, huge. With the right coach they will wake up and shake things up in college football.

NCAA football is just more fun and exciting when ND is good. Dont get me wrong, i cannot stand those entitled, get any close call bastards. They are however the team I love to hate. I love hating on them and if theyre on tv im watching just to root against them. The only time i dont watch ND is if theyre not ranked

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think ND is nearly as relevant as you say.

They'll never be irrelevant of course (evidence this thread), but they just don't carry the same kind of national appeal that they once did.

The real championship was our game that year.

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I don't think ND's current administration puts a lot of value in having an elite football program, or maybe they don't really understand what it takes to be truly elite.

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Yes, 100% agree. It's probably not quite what you think, but that sentence is quite accurate.

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They brought in Brian Kelly but then they expect him to compete with the Alabamas and Ohio States of the world while having to find only players who can meet ND's high entrance standards.

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Our standards are not all that high. They are just a few notches above the NCAA minimum and what most, if not all, SEC schools require. It has a lot more to do with the idea that elite players believe that Alabama and Ohio State are better paths to the NFL than Notre Dame. The Minkah Fitzpatrick's of the world - guys who would clearly and without question would qualify at ND and are from our historical recruiting pipelines (Fitzpatrick was a high school teammate and close friend of our QB) - just aren't going there in the numbers like they used to do so.

We still recruit pretty damn well for a program that has been down as long as we have and that has had three - going on four - shite consecutive coaching hires. Talent is not our core problem.

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Not even Stanford is stupid enough to try that - they relax standards for athletes. ND, as I understand it, will not

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Not true at all and Stanford's admittance requirements are still a hair above ours, as I understand it. They just have a lot better coaching. By whatever metric you want to use, we've out-recruited the hell out of Stanford over the last decade. We're more on par with Clemson and UGA and Oklahoma with regards to recruiting than we are Stanford (who rarely cracks the top 20).

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That '12 BCSCG appearance was about the worst thing that could have happened to them in the long term, and not just for the embarrassing way they got handled.

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Also true to an extent, but mostly because it entrenched the Swarbrick/Kelly regime in a way that we could not tell them to frick off last year when they staked out a stellar 4 - 8.

The shine wore off of ND in the late 90s when satellite TV and TV in general exploded and you could get hundred of channels and games.

They were use to being one of the games of the week to a national audience and took advantage of it. Now they are 1 of 70 games every week and you dont see the kids on the playground wearing ND starter jackets and hats.

They will never be what they were

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historically yes, now not really

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ND is a Global program. The recruit nationally and are TV ratings Gold even when they suck. They just haven't landed the right HC. They have a vulgar amount of money. The two biggest things hold the program back is the right head coach and the stubborn desire to remain an independent program.