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Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:37 pm to David Ricky
Damn, it's not even close.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:45 pm to David Ricky
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Tennessee is leading South Carolina in elite recruits per capita dating back to 2013.
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The disparity is even greater with elite recruits since 2013.
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Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:50 pm to Prof
Tennessee with 16 more blue chip players than South Carolina from 2013-2017 and 6 more blue chip players than Mississippi.
Rankings look about dead on and the disparity will only grow going forward. Great time for Tennessee's in state talent.
Rankings look about dead on and the disparity will only grow going forward. Great time for Tennessee's in state talent.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 10:05 pm to TRUERockyTop
Recruiting rankings are fake. NFL draft picks are a better way to gage elite talent.
South Carolina has way more elite NFL players than Tennessee.
Missippi is on par with Tennessee with almost half the population.
Tennessee talent is not really improving. Middle Tennessee talent has, but West Tennessee talent has declined.
South Carolina has way more elite NFL players than Tennessee.
Missippi is on par with Tennessee with almost half the population.
Tennessee talent is not really improving. Middle Tennessee talent has, but West Tennessee talent has declined.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 10:12 pm to BhamDore
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Tennessee talent is not really improving. Middle Tennessee talent has, but West Tennessee talent has declined.
So much bs in one post but I'll deal with this one specifically. Middle and East, TN talent is improving. West, TN talent is about the same as it ever was.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 10:33 pm to David Ricky
Debating with you Vololols about in state recruiting talent ... and your arbitrary years, has crossed from the ridiculous to the sublime in this thread.
LULZ
Check NFL rosters. It's not even close. And what'll really try your little orange noodles is when you look at Pro Bowl rosters combined with Super Bowl rosters this millenium.
But y'all keep trying to sell that "Blue Chip" bullshite 'till the cows come home. The OP had a reconceived notion when he started this thread and everyone but the Vol fans saw through it instantly.
Yeah, with Tennessee's population boom the D1 prospect numbers have risen exponentially. Good for Tennessee. And Butch has concentrated more on in state talent than at any time in UTk history. We get all of that. But you've got a ways to go before the state of Tennessee is considered a hot bed of talent and if your standard is the little ole state of SC ... then you're going to get more LULZ.
I have neither the time or inclination to debate this anylonger - it's been hashed over on this forum many many times in the past and, quite honestly, every time we get.to the bottom of the debate I am always amazed at how many really great players the state of Alabama produces for their size. And, per capita, no one is touching Georgia when it comes to sheer numbers of big time prospects. Hell, I'd put any 4* player in SC, GA or AL against any 5* prospect in Tennessee just by playing the odds ... and win. Same goes for 3* players from those states versus 4* players from Tennessee.
But, FWIW Tennessee is producing more quality talent these days .... hell, we'll probably sign three outta TN in this next class.
But you know where the OP really exposed himself ... it was with his several references to Clemson. It completely disqualified his motivation. He was losing the one argument so he resorted to misdirection - that's weak dick.
Next time OP, if you're gonna bring it, at least bring it with honest intentions and be prepared to accept a different outcome that your imagined. Try a little critical thought next time. This obviously didn't turn out as you had hoped.
Do your own research.
LULZ
Check NFL rosters. It's not even close. And what'll really try your little orange noodles is when you look at Pro Bowl rosters combined with Super Bowl rosters this millenium.
But y'all keep trying to sell that "Blue Chip" bullshite 'till the cows come home. The OP had a reconceived notion when he started this thread and everyone but the Vol fans saw through it instantly.
Yeah, with Tennessee's population boom the D1 prospect numbers have risen exponentially. Good for Tennessee. And Butch has concentrated more on in state talent than at any time in UTk history. We get all of that. But you've got a ways to go before the state of Tennessee is considered a hot bed of talent and if your standard is the little ole state of SC ... then you're going to get more LULZ.
I have neither the time or inclination to debate this anylonger - it's been hashed over on this forum many many times in the past and, quite honestly, every time we get.to the bottom of the debate I am always amazed at how many really great players the state of Alabama produces for their size. And, per capita, no one is touching Georgia when it comes to sheer numbers of big time prospects. Hell, I'd put any 4* player in SC, GA or AL against any 5* prospect in Tennessee just by playing the odds ... and win. Same goes for 3* players from those states versus 4* players from Tennessee.
But, FWIW Tennessee is producing more quality talent these days .... hell, we'll probably sign three outta TN in this next class.
But you know where the OP really exposed himself ... it was with his several references to Clemson. It completely disqualified his motivation. He was losing the one argument so he resorted to misdirection - that's weak dick.
Next time OP, if you're gonna bring it, at least bring it with honest intentions and be prepared to accept a different outcome that your imagined. Try a little critical thought next time. This obviously didn't turn out as you had hoped.
Do your own research.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 10:54 pm to BhamDore
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Recruiting rankings are fake. NFL draft picks is a better way to gage elite talent.
Well that's great fam, but most of the guys that we're talking about are still in college or just got out. Tennessee has just started to pass these other states within the last 5 years.
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South Carolina has way more elite NFL players than Tennessee
Blah, blah, See above.
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Missippi is on par with Tennessee with almost half the population
Mississippi isn't on par with Tennessee and that's already been proven. Available players.
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Tennessee talent is not really improving.
Ray Charles could see that thats a bold face lie. The talent in state is exploding and no where more than Nashville as it continues to boom. There are 9 4* players from the Nashville metro, 4 from the Memphis metro, and 1 from East TN in the early 2019 rankings. That's almost unheard of and that's coming off classes before it that we're considered some of the deepest TN has ever had. There is no denying the numbers. You come off salty because you're in the middle of all of these elite players and by and large the vast majority of them don't want to play for you.
Just in the 2017 NFL Draft UT sent 3 from Middle TN within the first 4 rounds. Derek Barnett, Josh Malone, and Jalen Reeves Maybin. Jalen Hurd would have went went as well if he had been getting better advice from his counsel and not transfering out. Jalen Ramsey just got taken before them and is playing in the league. And those are just the guys from the Nashville metro within the last few years. Tennessee will have several more players from the mid state get taken in the Draft over the next few years to add to the list.
Also, the talent in East Tennessee while not nearly as good as Middle and West is starting to get stronger as well. The Knoxville metro has put out a 5* player in each of the last 2 classes and several 4* players to go along with them. Bryn Tucker who is a OT in 2020 from Knox Catholic looks like he will be another 5* from Knoxville to add to the list.
Times are changing gents. You can get on here and get all mad about it and come off like a dumb arse similar to what you're doing, scrooster. Or you can look at the numbers. It's up to you. In 5-10 years time when all of these guys from the state of TN start getting out of college and hitting the league the number of NFL players from TN are going to shoot way up.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:15 pm to scrooster
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Except that you're wrong.
Your entire premise was to somehow prop-up Tennessee's (the state of) recruiting worth with your preconceived notions. Whereas, as many here are trying to explain to you, historically Alabama, South Carolina and definitely Georgia, Louisiana and probably Mississippi produce more NFL talent per capita than Tennessee ... this millenium.
I'm pretty sure the NFL put out a study on that last year or the year before - but time flies at my age.
Wow, you're either stupid and can't handle reading comprehension, or dementia has set in
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:23 pm to BigOrangeBri
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Wow, you're either stupid and can't handle reading comprehension, or dementia has set in
Like the most crotchety oldsters, he doesn't like acknowledging that 'the times they be a changin.'
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:35 pm to scrooster
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scrooster
It's past your bedtime, old man.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:35 pm to scrooster
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scrooster
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:37 pm to TRUERockyTop
I still say "Old Man Yells at Cloud" is the best description of Scrooster. 
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:46 pm to TRUERockyTop
Let me know when those recruiting rankings translate to elite college players and NFL draft picks.
247/Rivals etc want to sell subscriptions so they rate players from Middle Tennessee highly. That doesn't mean a lot to some folks.
Let me know when Tennessee cranks out elite Wrs like AJ Green, Alshon Jeffrey, DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Williams. The defensive ends from South Carolina are even more impressive.
Tennessee's demographics will never allow it to compete with any of the states from the Deep South with comparable populations when it comes to elite talent.
247/Rivals etc want to sell subscriptions so they rate players from Middle Tennessee highly. That doesn't mean a lot to some folks.
Let me know when Tennessee cranks out elite Wrs like AJ Green, Alshon Jeffrey, DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Williams. The defensive ends from South Carolina are even more impressive.
Tennessee's demographics will never allow it to compete with any of the states from the Deep South with comparable populations when it comes to elite talent.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:54 pm to BhamDore
Trying to support UK, UL, and WKU plus a perennial FCS power at EKU with the talent in Kentucky?
No wonder we raid Ohio etc for players
No wonder we raid Ohio etc for players
Posted on 5/21/17 at 11:59 pm to TRUERockyTop
A lot of in state talent in Tennessee. Clemson knows that well
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:03 am to BhamDore
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Let me know when those recruiting rankings translate to elite college players and NFL draft picks.
I just did you clown quote:
Just in the 2017 NFL Draft UT sent 3 from Middle TN within the first 4 rounds. Derek Barnett, Josh Malone, and Jalen Reeves Maybin. Jalen Hurd would have went went as well if he had been getting better advice from his counsel and not transfering out. Jalen Ramsey just got taken before them and is playing in the league. And those are just the guys from the Nashville metro within the last few years. Tennessee will have several more players from the mid state get taken in the Draft over the next few years to add to the list.
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247/Rivals etc want to sell subscriptions so they rate players from Middle Tennessee highly. That doesn't mean a lot to some folks.
Wrong again. The rise of in state talent in Tennessee has largely been because of two things. NPA & Buck Fitzgerald & the Nashville area exploding.
You sound so uneducated on all of this it's borderline cringe worthy. It's easy to see that you don't live in Tennessee or you're just extremely out of touch with what's happening.
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Tennessee's demographics will never allow it to compete with any of the states from the Deep South with comparable populations when it comes to elite talent.
Wrong again. Outside of Louisiana, Tennessee already is. Tennessee has passed Mississippi and South Carolina and is starting to catch up to Alabama and Louisiana. Tennessee already has a significantly deeper and more talented in state class than Alabama for the 2019 class (13 4* to 7 4*). Tennessee also has a talented and deeper class than Louisiana for 2019 (13 4* to 8 4* & 1 5*) Like I said, Tennessee is trending up in a big way.
How many times are you going to post some BS on here my dude?
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 12:09 am
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:33 am to TRUERockyTop
Are bragging about 3 picks in the 1st 128 picks as proof Tennessee football is on the rise?
You touting this as some banner year for Tennessee is why Tennessee will never rival those other states.
In 2015 14 players from AL were drafted including the # 1 overall in Jameis Winston. That's a banner year.
Alabama 2008 highschool class had 3 players drafted in the top 10. Marcel Dareus #3 Julio Jones# 6, Mark Barron#7. Upshaw also went #35. That's a Banner crop of highschool talent.
These things are cyclical and if the last couple of years have been up years for Tennessee then you are delusional if you believe it compares to any of the Deep South states.
You touting this as some banner year for Tennessee is why Tennessee will never rival those other states.
In 2015 14 players from AL were drafted including the # 1 overall in Jameis Winston. That's a banner year.
Alabama 2008 highschool class had 3 players drafted in the top 10. Marcel Dareus #3 Julio Jones# 6, Mark Barron#7. Upshaw also went #35. That's a Banner crop of highschool talent.
These things are cyclical and if the last couple of years have been up years for Tennessee then you are delusional if you believe it compares to any of the Deep South states.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 1:57 am to BhamDore
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BhamDore
Please show me where the OP asked for which states produce the most NFL Players. Oh wait, he didn't
Posted on 5/22/17 at 2:52 am to TRUERockyTop
I'm not wrong about this. Historically mississippi produces more football talent than Tennessee does...sorry if it offends you. Tennesseee isn't known for its football talent, which is why UT has to recruit nationally to compete...bc if they depended on their in state talent to fill their roster, they would be fricked. All im saying is mississippi historically, over a long period of time has produced way more talent than tennessee has. That's not even considering the population disparity between ms and tn. Now get your panties out of a wad. By the way, LSU has recruited well in tn lately and it's not a knock against your state...just a fact. Jacoby stevens will be a stud at LSU, I know that pisses you off. Geaux tigers.
This post was edited on 5/22/17 at 2:56 am
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