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re: How SEC Programs Rank in the Modern Era of Basketball
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:33 pm to AUTiger789
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:33 pm to AUTiger789
Using your made up, odd, point system…Arkansas shows to have 172.5 points since 1985.
NCAA Tourneys: 23 (23 points)
Round of 32: 17 (25.5 points)
Sweet Sixteen: 9 (27 points)
Elite Eight: 6 (30 points)
Final Four: 3 (30 points)
National Runner Up: 1 (12 points)
National Champion: 1 (25 points)
Total: 172.5
NCAA Tourneys: 23 (23 points)
Round of 32: 17 (25.5 points)
Sweet Sixteen: 9 (27 points)
Elite Eight: 6 (30 points)
Final Four: 3 (30 points)
National Runner Up: 1 (12 points)
National Champion: 1 (25 points)
Total: 172.5
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:38 pm to AUTiger789
How did you settle on the points awarded? Just make them up or did you follow someone else's model?
Not disagreeing, just curious. I think they are pretty fair.
Not disagreeing, just curious. I think they are pretty fair.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:39 pm to AUTiger789
The Big 6.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:51 am to Hawgeye
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Using your made up, odd, point system…Arkansas shows to have 172.5 points since 1985.
NCAA Tourneys: 23 (23 points)
Round of 32: 17 (25.5 points)
Sweet Sixteen: 9 (27 points)
Elite Eight: 6 (30 points)
Final Four: 3 (30 points)
National Runner Up: 1 (12 points)
National Champion: 1 (25 points)
No. You're stacking points
NCAA Tournaments: 23 (1*23) - 23 points
Second Round: 17 (0.5 *17) - 8.5 - you only get 0.5 additional points
Sweet Sixteen: 9 (1.5*9) - 13.5 - you only get 1.5 additional points
Elite Eight: 6 (2*6) - 12 - you only get 2 additional points
Final Four: 3 (3*5) - 15 - you only get 5 additional points
Runner Up: (2*2) - 4 - you only get 2 additional points
Championship: (1*13) - 13 - you only get 13 additional points
Or score it like this:
Season Ended:
National Title - 1 - 25 points
Runner Up - 1 - 12 points
Final Four - 1 - 10 points
Elite Eight - 3 - 15 points
Sweet Sixteen - 3 - 9 points
Second Round - 8 - 12 points
First Round Exit - 6 - 6 points
Either way, I get 89 for Arkansas
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:02 am to AUTiger789
I think a losing season should be a -10. Choking against 15 seeds like Kentucky should be a -50.
Florida, between 2011 and 2014 went to four consecutive Elite Eights (one was a FF) and they did not play a single one or two seed (they were a 2,7,3,1 seed). That said, I think Billy D was like 9-1 against top three seeds (only loss was to Michigan St in 2000). Crazy. Florida has been the program since 2000, courtesy of their two championships, a Final game appearance, and a Final Four (with three or four elite eights).
Florida, between 2011 and 2014 went to four consecutive Elite Eights (one was a FF) and they did not play a single one or two seed (they were a 2,7,3,1 seed). That said, I think Billy D was like 9-1 against top three seeds (only loss was to Michigan St in 2000). Crazy. Florida has been the program since 2000, courtesy of their two championships, a Final game appearance, and a Final Four (with three or four elite eights).
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:26 am to littleavery1948
Stacking points?
So wait…you’re telling me that even though this made up point system is using the NCAAt as its barometer, actually making a certain level of each tournament doesn’t count?
What kind of flawed system is that? Pfffft…I’ll pass on this thread.
So wait…you’re telling me that even though this made up point system is using the NCAAt as its barometer, actually making a certain level of each tournament doesn’t count?
What kind of flawed system is that? Pfffft…I’ll pass on this thread.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 6:43 am to bigDgator
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How did you settle on the points awarded? Just make them up or did you follow someone else's model?
Pretty sure SOG had a similar model.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:23 am to AUTiger789
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Elite 8: 5 points
Final Four: 10 points
Runner-Up: 12 points
Win an Elite 8 game? That's impressive. You get 5 more points!
Win a Final 4 game? Meh. 2 points.
Makes sense.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:25 am to AUTiger789
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13. Texas A&M- 19.0
1985 to 2005: 1 point
2006 to 2024: 18 points
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:27 am to AUTiger789
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7. Alabama- 38.0
8. Tennessee- 36.0
these 2 have been amazingly close historically in all metrics
Posted on 3/19/24 at 7:32 am to AUTiger789
I think you should keep the scoring but add 2 points for each tourney appearance. That’s a good barometer of program success
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:00 am to bigDgator
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How did you settle on the points awarded? Just make them up or did you follow someone else's model?
Not disagreeing, just curious. I think they are pretty fair.
I just basically asked myself, “What’s more valuable?”
How many Sweet 16’s would I trade to see my team make a Final Four? I mean in my mind, I think a Final Four should be worth at least 3… probably more like 4 Sweet 16’s.
Rounds that get your team to a new weekend are more valuable. So for instance, a Sweet 16 should be worth more of an increase in points compared to the increase between 1st and 2nd round. The biggest jumps % wise would be making the NCAA Tournament to begin with… the Sweet 16… the Final Four… and the National Title. Meanwhile, Second Round, Ellite 8, and Runner-up should see point increases but to a lesser extent, IMO.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:07 am to Fe_Mike
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Win an Elite 8 game? That's impressive. You get 5 more points! Win a Final 4 game? Meh. 2 points.
There is a reason CBS markets March Madness as “The Road to the Final Four.”
Getting to the Championship Game and losing isn’t exponentially better than getting to the Final Four and losing in the National Semifinal. The main goal is to get to the Final Four and then to win the National Title.
Sure, winning a game there should be worth more points. But losing in the Title Game shouldn’t be worth the same as making two Final Fours… if you double each round as one poster suggested, that’s what you’d get… and it’d be stupid to weight it that way
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:10 am to NorthEndZone
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Why not use powers of 2?
1
2
4
8
16
32
64
Each round is awarded twice as much as the previous round.
Would you rather your team reach the National Title Game and lose one time or would you rather your team reach the Final Four twice and lose in the National Semifinal?
If your not winning the title, I think most anyone would take two Final Fours over just one.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:14 am to AUTiger789
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Getting to the Championship Game and losing isn’t exponentially better than getting to the Final Four
Of course it is. You have no shot of winning the title without playing for the title. Those two teams are the only remaining teams out of hundreds of basketball programs.
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The main goal is to get to the Final Four and then to win the National Title.
The goal is to play for the title and then see where the chips fall.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:15 am to Hawgeye
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So wait…you’re telling me that even though this made up point system is using the NCAAt as its barometer, actually making a certain level of each tournament doesn’t count?
What kind of flawed system is that? Pfffft…I’ll pass on this thread.
You might just not have the mental capacity to handle this topic.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:20 am to Hawgeye
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The goal is to play for the title and then see where the chips fall.
So right now, you pick. Which would you rather see your team do:
Option 1: Make both the 2025 and 2026 Final Four but lose both times without making the title game
Option 2: Make just the 2025 Final Four, win one game and lose in the Title Game. In 2026, miss making the Tournament altogether.
Which one are you picking?
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 11:21 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:21 am to AUTiger789
2 no doubt about it. Playing for a title is well, playing for a title.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 11:22 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:21 am to Hawgeye
Well you’re an idiot.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:22 am to Hawgeye
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Pfffft…I’ll pass on this thread.
Please do
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