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re: How Overrated is Nick Saban??
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:45 am to RMFTBama
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:45 am to RMFTBama
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Looking back, I'm still not sure how South Carolina won, because Alabama dominated almost every statistic.
USC was incredibly efficient on offense. Bama settled for field goals at times.
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Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:48 am to Colonel Flagg
Nobody was going to beat USC that day. Everything was clicking for them. It was their day and they wanted it more.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:50 am to Colonel Flagg
Yep Kirby Smart. Bama fans are always on McElwain,but South Carolina scored 5tds and converted 3rd and longs all day and a key 4th in that game. 5 trips to the redzone 5 touchdowns.
He got no pressure on Garcia who is known to turn the ball over all game.
He got no pressure on Garcia who is known to turn the ball over all game.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 12:51 am to BhamDore
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People don't realize how talentless Bama was pre Saban.
bullshite. their recruiting classes weren't among the best in the SEC but they certainly weren't 'talentless'. Shula didn't do too well but he did leave a decent, solid base for the next coach. if you want proof look at 08 and 09 Bama team 2 deep depth chart. Shula's recruiting was decent, better than Dooley actually rankings wise.
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Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:00 am to Crompdaddy8
Saban's 07 and 08 class made those Bama teams. Shula left a good offensive line and that was it.
Arenas was never a CB until saban came. Rashaud Johnson was a walkon RB. Until Saban came. He made Shula's recruits. Kareem Jackson, Terrance Cody, Hightower, Julio, Ingram etc were all the catalyst to the turn around at Bama and Saban made them or brought them in.
Shula did leave a good offensive line, but thats it.
Saban cut half of Shula's team and over signed like a mofo to upgrade the talent at Bama.
Arenas was never a CB until saban came. Rashaud Johnson was a walkon RB. Until Saban came. He made Shula's recruits. Kareem Jackson, Terrance Cody, Hightower, Julio, Ingram etc were all the catalyst to the turn around at Bama and Saban made them or brought them in.
Shula did leave a good offensive line, but thats it.
Saban cut half of Shula's team and over signed like a mofo to upgrade the talent at Bama.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:07 am to BhamDore
There is a reason why there is only 8 sr on Bama team and only 3 Senior starters out of 22. LT Carpenter was brought in by Saban.
Tennessee in Dooley's 1st year had way more talent than Bama in Saban's first year. The talent is young, but it is there. Saban didn't get the young talent in until really 08. Kiffen also left some good players and yall situation was much more stable than Bama's.
Bama had 5 coaches in ten years with multiple probations and an instate rival that started rising and mangaged an undefeated season in the middle of all their turmoil in 04.
Dooley's situation is a pick nick compared to Saban's
Tennessee in Dooley's 1st year had way more talent than Bama in Saban's first year. The talent is young, but it is there. Saban didn't get the young talent in until really 08. Kiffen also left some good players and yall situation was much more stable than Bama's.
Bama had 5 coaches in ten years with multiple probations and an instate rival that started rising and mangaged an undefeated season in the middle of all their turmoil in 04.
Dooley's situation is a pick nick compared to Saban's
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:08 am to BhamDore
Nick Saban currently is the best coach in the best conference. I'm saying that based off my opinion of his abilities, and not just the fact he won championships. I think Petrino is the best offensive coach, but the Hogs need to upgrade their defense one more notch in order to field a team that can compete like Bama year in and out.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:14 am to Volmanac
I'm a Tiger fan and an AVID Miles supporter, that being said here's my say on the thread:
Nick Saban is a fantastic players coach and a great recruiter. He's a fine recruiter who has the habit of picking up 5* recruits from across the country. He's smart with his play calling and accepts no mistakes. He's even set the foundation for my favorite team for what it is today. He's not overrated. He's a great coach. His only fault is his assistants can't stand him, but only because he wants to succeed to much.
Nick Saban is a fantastic players coach and a great recruiter. He's a fine recruiter who has the habit of picking up 5* recruits from across the country. He's smart with his play calling and accepts no mistakes. He's even set the foundation for my favorite team for what it is today. He's not overrated. He's a great coach. His only fault is his assistants can't stand him, but only because he wants to succeed to much.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:16 am to HogKing111
I agree and would say Petrino is definitely right there with Saban regardless of accomplishments. Petrino will always be in the thick of things at Arky. Easily the 2nd best coach in the SEC.
People don't realize how bad Nutt left Arky. Petrino got his guys in early and they took their lumps as Fr and Sophs, but really turned it on this year. The core of the team is returning and will be SRs. Even without Mallet the hogs will contend, hell Petrino had Casey Dick looking like an actual SEC QB.
Petrino's team will alway compete because he excels at coaching the most important position QB.
People don't realize how bad Nutt left Arky. Petrino got his guys in early and they took their lumps as Fr and Sophs, but really turned it on this year. The core of the team is returning and will be SRs. Even without Mallet the hogs will contend, hell Petrino had Casey Dick looking like an actual SEC QB.
Petrino's team will alway compete because he excels at coaching the most important position QB.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:16 am to BhamDore
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Shula left a good offensive line and that was it.
9 defensive starters were Shula's players...including key players like Arenas, McClain, Arenas, Reamer, Anders, etc.
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Arenas was never a CB until saban came. Rashaud Johnson was a walkon RB. Until Saban came. He made Shula's recruits. Kareem Jackson, Terrance Cody, Hightower, Julio, Ingram etc were all the catalyst to the turn around at Bama and Saban made them or brought them in.
again, they weren't 'talentless.' Shula didn't leave the cupboard completely bare like you're claiming.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:19 am to BhamDore
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Tennessee in Dooley's 1st year had way more talent than Bama in Saban's first year. Dooley's situation is a pick nick compared to Saban's
back in the preseason you were the one who claimed that UT would be lucky to win 2 SEC games this year. that contradicts your statement.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:31 am to Crompdaddy8
9 Starters were not Shula's players. Higtower,Cody,Kareem Jackson, Upshaw,Dareus, were all of Saban's players. Reamer and Anders could not get a scholarship to Alabama right now. Saban signed the 07 class also, but shula did recruit some of them. Again Arenas never played CB until Saban arrived and was not an uber-talented player. He was a two or 3 star returner who Saban turned into a great nickel back.
The only truly astounding can't miss players shula left Saban were Andre Smith who Bama paid a shitload for and McClain.
Saban won in spite of Shula's players and hid most of talentess ones with good schemes.
He won a National championship with McElroy for goodness sakes.
The only truly astounding can't miss players shula left Saban were Andre Smith who Bama paid a shitload for and McClain.
Saban won in spite of Shula's players and hid most of talentess ones with good schemes.
He won a National championship with McElroy for goodness sakes.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:33 am to BhamDore
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Even without Mallet the hogs will contend, hell Petrino had Casey Dick looking like an actual SEC QB.
From Casey Dick's wikipedia:
Dick began the 2008 season (first season under Petrino) with two consecutive 300-yard performances, the first of his career, and the first time in history that an Arkansas quarterback had thrown for 300 yards in back-to-back outings. After the first two games, Arkansas' competition grew much stiffer, and Dick's output gradually suffered until he hit a statistical bottom of 94 passing yards against Kentucky in a narrow loss. Dick bounce back from his poor performance with a 284-yard, 2-touchdown game against Ole Miss, which he followed up with a 385-yard showing in a victory over 19th-ranked Tulsa, which included an early touchdown to take the lead. Dick's 385 yards were the second-highest total in school history, trailing Clint Stoerner's record of 387 against LSU in 1997 by two yards. For his performance, Dick was elected SEC Offensive Player of the Week.
In his final game, Dick came off the bench to replace his injured brother Nathan and threw two touchdowns, including a fourth-down throw to receiver London Crawford with 22 seconds remaining, and led Arkansas 31–30 over LSU. The play was considered by fans[who?] as reminiscent of the "Miracle on Markham", Matt Jones's game-winning TD throw to beat LSU in 2002, which was roughly the same distance in yardage and was to the same corner of the same end zone.
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I'm not worried about QB, and probably won't be for a long time.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:35 am to BhamDore
Nobody knew the East would suck so bad. I honestly thought UK would definetly beat yall and we would have a 50/50 chance. You went 3-5 don't act like yall were badass.3-5 could have easily been 2-6,
Yall could have been at home if you wouldn't have squeaked out that OT win vs UAB.
That is something Dooley has over Saban. Saban lost to UAB
Yall could have been at home if you wouldn't have squeaked out that OT win vs UAB.
That is something Dooley has over Saban. Saban lost to UAB
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:43 am to Crompdaddy8
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9 defensive starters were Shula's players...including key players like Arenas, McClain, Arenas, Reamer, Anders, etc.
Arenas was exclusive to special teams under Shula.
McClain was signed by Saban.
Reamer was moved to LB by Saban.
Anders was moved to LB by Saban.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:44 am to BhamDore
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Andre Smith who Bama paid a shitload for
What the Hell is that suppose to mean?
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:48 am to Volmanac
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:49 am to BhamDore
FACT: majority of starters in 08 were Shula's players. more than half of starters in 09 were Shula's players. in college football, the new coach has to use the old coach's players, there is no way around it. you can't miraculously replace 100 or so players on the roster in 2 years.
Shula didn't leave a goldmine. but he didn't leave "talentless" team either. like I said before, he left a decent base for the next coach.
Shula didn't leave a goldmine. but he didn't leave "talentless" team either. like I said before, he left a decent base for the next coach.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:50 am to Crompdaddy8
The argument isn't that Shula didn't leave players, it's that Shula was misusing most of them. Saban made a ton of position changes in 2007 and 2008.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 2:01 am to CapstoneGrad06
Saban cut a shitload of them and like ten got arrested and or transfered.
Reamer was a Safety, Anders was a DE, etc. Shula recruited some good offensive players and good O-lineman, but Saban revamped that whole D. Hell they switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4. You have to have entire different personnel to run that.
Reamer was a Safety, Anders was a DE, etc. Shula recruited some good offensive players and good O-lineman, but Saban revamped that whole D. Hell they switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4. You have to have entire different personnel to run that.
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