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re: How Much Does recruiting rankings mean to your team?
Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:22 am to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:22 am to VerlanderBEAST
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The more fans who buy subscriptions the more stars your recruits get. The more stars your recruits get get the more fans will subscribe
Teams that win national championships have excited fans who want to buy subscriptions
Makes perfect sense.
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:24 am to laFon
I think someone posted that ever BCS Title winner had at least 3 top ten recruiting classes in the prior 5 of the year winning a natty, so they should be important to all those wanting to win a natty.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:24 am to laFon
We need it since we always underachieve anyway.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:27 am to everytrueson
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The Mizzou staff apparently has their own secret "matrix" that they use to evaluate. They have done a great job of developing 2 star talent into big time performers so I guess the answer to your question is sometimes?
To determine the worth of the rankings, you have to evaluate each program individually.
Michigan St. and Wisconsin have been no where close to Ohio St. and Michigan in the rankings, but both programs have competed with the superior recruiting ranked teams through a redshirt program. Michigan St. had a solid defense this year with the majority of the contributors being RS-Juniors and RS-Seniors.
Teams like Alabama and LSU have also had good defenses with higher ranked class, the difference is their defenses are made up of true freshmen, true sophomores, true juniors, etc.
A red-shirt program can narrow the talent gap through developing players with potential, but are not ready to make an immediate impact (hence being 2 and 3 star athletes) while keeping a veteran upper classmen team on the field.
Saying "no class with out a x ranked class has won the NC" is misleading as several teams without those classes have choked away opportunities to make it to the game over the past several years (WVU, OSU, etc) by dropping games in conference to inferior opponents. The bar of the ranked class needed moved when Oregon played in 2010 for the NC, before then it was x class never made it to the game.
A solid program can be built without top ten recruiting classes that never gets the breaks/luck needed during the season to make it to the NC game.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:36 am to recstar7
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None because this was a bad year and we are in the top 5
Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:45 am to laFon
Like everyone else has said it's more important to fill needs and get good fits for the scheme but you better believe talent and athletic ability is huge along with their size, I think a hard work ethic, character, and awareness are most important in a prospect then their size and ability. You want good kids that work hard
Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:55 am to crimsonsaint
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Makes perfect sense.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:04 pm to laFon
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How Much Does recruiting rankings mean to your team?
It's the equivalent to draft day that the NFL has. Neither NFL drafting or "Top 10" recruiting classes are an exact science but the logic is still the same. Recruit/draft well and your team has a shot to be a Champion. Don't and your odds diminish, greatly.
If you disagree, odds are your team isn't in the top 10 of recruiting and you're simply kidding yourself.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:05 pm to coachcrisp
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A red-shirt program can narrow the talent gap through developing players with potential, but are not ready to make an immediate impact (hence being 2 and 3 star athletes) while keeping a veteran upper classmen team on the field.
i agree with this. that is why it is important to sign your 2 and 3 stars because it can really impact them later down the road. Also, it helps gives them a better chance of staying 4 years than jumping the ship early. It is difficult to bring in a stud secondary class every year with Juniors going pro, which is why it is good to have former redshirt players ready to jump in and fill the hole
Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:10 pm to DaleDenton
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Saying "no class with out a x ranked class has won the NC" is misleading as several teams without those classes have choked away opportunities to make it to the game over the past several years (WVU, OSU, etc) by dropping games in conference to inferior opponents.
It isn't misleading at all and your post actually tells why recruiting class ranking is a valuable indicator of whether or not a team can win a Natty. WHY did they choke away games they should have won? Because every team has an off game or two a season, but teams with top talent are able to survive games where the other squad has a better game-plan, is more motivated or has more luck, and teams without top talent are unable to ride a pure talent advantage to win a game they should have lost.
This post was edited on 1/30/14 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:38 pm to Cooter Davenport
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teams without top talent are unable to ride a pure talent advantage to win a game they should have lost
not just top talent but depth too. deeper teams will have more energy come 4th quarter
Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:39 pm to laFon
If it's not top 10 it's a bust, IMO.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:42 pm to laFon
Not only that (4th quarter) but with depth, you are able to sub without being targeted.
Not saying we didn't have depth, but just to make a point. A few years ago vs bama, the only time they scored was when Peterson came out. They knew to attack that young corner while Peterson was out.
Not saying we didn't have depth, but just to make a point. A few years ago vs bama, the only time they scored was when Peterson came out. They knew to attack that young corner while Peterson was out.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:44 pm to RBWilliams8
and redshirts really help with your depth
Posted on 1/30/14 at 2:45 pm to DoubleDown
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It's the equivalent to draft day that the NFL has. Neither NFL drafting or "Top 10" recruiting classes are an exact science but the logic is still the same. Recruit/draft well and your team has a shot to be a Champion. Don't and your odds diminish, greatly.
If you disagree, odds are your team isn't in the top 10 of recruiting and you're simply kidding yourself.
No it's not. It's nothing like "equivalent to draft day that the NFL has (sic)," unless you are claiming that college coaches are allowed to administer psychological tests xto high school prospects, run them through one-on-one agility courses, have them come-in for verticals and electronically timed twenty, forty and sixty shuffles ... among other things?
There is no comparing the two. As one former college recruiting coordinator, now coaching farther down south, once told me after he got his NFL gig, (I first met him in Charleston on a HS recruiting trip in the early 90s) ... "comparing high school recruiting to evaluating for draft day is like going through the drive-through at McDonald's versus sitting down in a coat and tie and looking over the menu for the night at MK's. One is a crap shoot, the other a sure thing ... sort of."
Posted on 1/30/14 at 2:51 pm to scrooster
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No it's not. It's nothing like "equivalent to draft day that the NFL has (sic)," unless you are claiming that college coaches are allowed to administer psychological tests xto high school prospects, run them through one-on-one agility courses, have them come-in for verticals and electronically timed twenty, forty and sixty shuffles ... among other things? There is no comparing the two. As one former college recruiting coordinator, now coaching farther down south, once told me after he got his NFL gig, (I first met him in Charleston on a HS recruiting trip in the early 90s) ... "comparing high school recruiting to evaluating for draft day is like going through the drive-through at McDonald's versus sitting down in a coat and tie and looking over the menu for the night at MK's. One is a crap shoot, the other a sure thing ... sort of."
Huh? You're way over analyzing. Yes, it is the closest thing and is very comparable. There's a reason 5-stars become 5 stars and 1st round picks become 1st round picks. As others have said, stats prove this same logic. No team has ever won a BCS title (so last 17 years or whatever) without having at least one top 10 BCS recruiting class.
Of course there's not the same level of scrutiny, that's not what the topic or my point was about. However, college coaches do investigate (as much as they can) in to kids grades, personal life, any off field issues, etc. That does happen. No, they do not run them through the combine - that's not what my point was. I think you're dissecting semantics between the 2 types of recruiting rather than the main concept.
This post was edited on 1/30/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 1/30/14 at 3:49 pm to PorkSammich
Or the fact we have sucked and have an idiot for a coach. Or let me guess, the services hate kids who come to AR
Posted on 1/30/14 at 3:50 pm to notabertfan
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Or the fact we have sucked and have an idiot for a coach. Or let me guess, the services hate kids who come to AR
Should have gotten a head coach with Texas ties. Long's biggest blunder, among an otherwise an impressive tenure as AD, was Bielema.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 3:53 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Should have gotten a head coach with Texas ties. Long's biggest blunder, among an otherwise an impressive tenure as AD, was Bielema.
We are getting faster Florida kids instead of over-rated Texas talent.
The talent building national championship teams isn't coming from Texas.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 4:15 pm to DaleDenton
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The talent building national championship teams isn't coming from Texas.
And it isn't going to Arky according to the recruiting rankings.
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