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re: How Much Does recruiting rankings mean to your team?
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:08 am to bencoleman
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:08 am to bencoleman
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In my opinion, the difference between a number 1 class and a number 10 class isn't that much but you start getting into the teens and twenties I don't see how you can compete on a regular basis.
History and stats would prove you very naive and very wrong.
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:09 am to coachcrisp
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It's the 1st and most important ingredient in the developement of a national powerhouse program
Let's not confuse recruiting rankings with the level of talent on a given roster.
Recruiting rankings are determined by questionable people with zero coaching experience.
I'll take what Spurrier and his staff determine they need, go-after and sign, over what some dumbass like Bobby Burton says, any day of the week.
Here's a fact.
Most recruiting services rank a player based upon three criterion.
1 - Who all has offered.
2 - Speed
3 - Size
... in that order.
Where as most good coaches, and their staffs, rank their prospects as follows:
1 - position need
2 - specific skill set, camp evaluation, interview
3 - work ethic and reputation, on-and-off the field, in and out of the classroom (sic: weight room, extra curricular, etc).
4 - size and speed
5 - locality in relation to the school
6 - word of the local high school coaches
7 - collective judgement of assistant coaches
8 - family history/background
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:15 am to laFon
Recruiting (recruiting rankings) is everything. It's the lifeblood of a program and you can't consistently win at a high level without it.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:17 am to Summer of George
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Recruiting (recruiting rankings) is everything. It's the lifeblood of a program and you can't consistently win at a high level without it.
Recruiting, yes.
Rankings? Not so much.
Some programs can narrow the talent gap via player development through a redshirt program.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:17 am to scrooster
I like them when we do pretty well -- and ignore them when we don't. At this point, it's pretty much a given that Mullen's staff is going to take 5-10 "out of left field" players as high priorities that are NR-3* that have basically no other options and drive down our "rankings" -- but turn into key players for us on the field at a pretty high clip.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:17 am to Summer of George
yes but the way spurrier is able to develop talent he does not need to be in the top 5 every year
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:17 am to laFon
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But Most Alabama fans I know take it as the holy word.
3 in 4 years.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:18 am to laFon
From my observations the Ole Miss fanbase is 45 percent star-gazers, 45 percent "WHY AREN'T WE RECRUITING THIS GUY FROM THE DELTA/MY HOMETOWN?! KIDS A PLAYER, GOT TO HAVE HIM!!!1" and 10 percent quality case-by-case guys that can see an overrated four-star (Craig Drummond) and an underrated three-star (Victor Evans).
I'd say Georgia fans are pretty good at not caring about that stuff considering the talent you can get in that state goes far deeper than stars. State typically only cares about stars when saying "this is redikulus that (State commit with only C-USA offers) is only a 2 star! Look at Dan's track record!!"
LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, A&M point out rankings a lot. Missouri, USCe and Arkansas don't appear to care much about it. Kentucky and Vandy don't have a large enough presence in the football part of this board or my conversatipns with their fans for me to know either way.
I'd say Georgia fans are pretty good at not caring about that stuff considering the talent you can get in that state goes far deeper than stars. State typically only cares about stars when saying "this is redikulus that (State commit with only C-USA offers) is only a 2 star! Look at Dan's track record!!"
LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, A&M point out rankings a lot. Missouri, USCe and Arkansas don't appear to care much about it. Kentucky and Vandy don't have a large enough presence in the football part of this board or my conversatipns with their fans for me to know either way.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:18 am to laFon
I dont take recruiting ranking super seriously. For Ole Miss, we can get small name games.
1) Patrick Willis-2 star
2) Cody Prewitt- 3 star from a 1a school
3) Donte Moncrief- 3 star from Raleigh Mississippi
4) Jordan Holder- Walkon
1) Patrick Willis-2 star
2) Cody Prewitt- 3 star from a 1a school
3) Donte Moncrief- 3 star from Raleigh Mississippi
4) Jordan Holder- Walkon
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:20 am to laFon
I thought Prewitt and Moncrief were four-stars?
Don't forget Dex was a three-star and not even ranked in the state rankings. Also Mike Wallace was a two-star.
Don't forget Dex was a three-star and not even ranked in the state rankings. Also Mike Wallace was a two-star.
This post was edited on 1/30/14 at 9:23 am
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:21 am to laFon
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How Much Does recruiting rankings mean to your team?
Only slightly less important than verb agreement. That is mainly because the Harbrace College Handbook was actually created by a UT professor (John C. Hodges). We is big on grammar at EUTEE.
By importance, they would rank thusly:
1. Verb agreement;
2. Recruiting rankings; and,
3. Proper capitalization.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:30 am to diddydirtyAubie
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I would say they're very accurate for Arkansas. Arkansas ranks near the bottom of the SEC West in recruiting every year and has zero SEC Championships.
How do we beat Auburn so often then?
MS schools are almost always ranked above us in recruiting yet we've been to ATL 3 times and a BCS bowl.
Back-to-back 10 win season with those low ranked classes, something Auburn hasn't done in 2 decades with numerous top 10 classes.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:32 am to laFon
Very little
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:33 am to PorkSammich
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MS schools are almost always ranked above us in recruiting yet we've been to ATL 3 times and a BCS bowl.
Back-to-back 10 win season with those low ranked classes, something Auburn hasn't done in 2 decades with numerous top 10 classes.
i think some coaches are not actually that good, they just rely on talent. What Ole Miss has was the lack of a good head coach that was willing to stick and try throughout the program. Hopefully we have found that with Hugh Freeze and then those top 15 recruiting classes can be developed into a much deeper team
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:35 am to laFon
It is huge for UGA. There's a strong correlation between NC teams and top 5 classes leading up to those championship seasons. Look no further than Alabama to confirm. While Georgia typically has top 10 classes, that simply is not good enough. Every season we lose out on key in-state recruits who could have potentially made a significant difference for our team.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:39 am to BallstotheWesleyWall
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State typically only cares about stars when saying "this is redikulus that (State commit with only C-USA offers) is only a 2 star! Look at Dan's track record!!"
Correct. But let's not pretend that we pulled the approach out of our arse.
Jon Banks
Cam Lawrence
Deontae Skinner
Nickoe Whitley
Gabe Jackson
Vick Ballard
Jameon Lewis
Dillon Day
Blaine Clausell
Malcolm Johnson
Jamerson Love
Kendrick Market
Taveze Calhoun
Benardrick Mckinney
Justin Malone
Darius Slay(highschool and juco)
Preston Smith
Justin Cox(highschool)
All of those guys have proven to be somewhere between mildly underrated and ridiculously underrated. And those are just the current/former major contributors.
Fact is -- a large portion of our fanbase is getting afraid to bitch about a 2* no-offer guy from Tunica -- because those are the ones that seem to consistently end up being Benardrick McKinney under this regime.
This post was edited on 1/30/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:39 am to davesdawgs
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It is huge for UGA. There's a strong correlation between NC teams and top 5 classes leading up to those championship seasons. Look no further than Alabama to confirm. While Georgia typically has top 10 classes, that simply is not good enough. Every season we lose out on key in-state recruits who could have potentially made a significant difference for our team.
The difference is Richt vs Saban.
Saban starting bringing in top classes to LSU when the ranking system started, they have continued to have top classes since he stepped up to Bama. LSU has zero NCs without Saban players on the roster, because development and coaching are just as important as getting talent to campus.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:46 am to KCM0Tiger
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Very little
Would be interested to see how many other teams have put more 2* guys in the NFL than Mizzou.
But even with this, we still have the perennial "Fire Pinkel - he can't recruit" discussions.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:49 am to laFon
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How Much Does recruiting rankings mean to your team?
Can I respond back on 2/6?
Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:56 am to DaleDenton
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LSU has zero NCs without Saban players on the roster, because development and coaching are just as important as getting talent to campus.
Well thats a pretty asanine statement. Our 2011 team was one of the best developed and coached LSU teams of all time, regardless if we won an NC or not. Just look at the guys from that year playing in the NFL.
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