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re: How did Mark Stoops build his program faster than Butch Jones
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:27 pm to viceman
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:27 pm to viceman
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I was unaware Stoops has won anything at UK. So far he has UK in second place in the east. It's the east. Stoops hasn't accomplished shite either.
Well, for what it's worth, they're second in the East.
Kentucky had years where they might have won 1 SEC game the entire year. This year they knocked off one of their West opponents, beat South Carolina (nothing big there) and drubbed Missouri (also nothing big).
But, for the most part, they received the drubbings.
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Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:27 pm to viceman
You're looking at it at the Alabama point of view. Nothing wrong with that.
You just gotta look at it from the Kentucky point of view. As shite as the east has been, how often have you heard about Kentucky with even a remote chance of being in the hunt? No matter how small of a chance it is?
You just gotta look at it from the Kentucky point of view. As shite as the east has been, how often have you heard about Kentucky with even a remote chance of being in the hunt? No matter how small of a chance it is?
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:38 pm to CNB
It amazes me how so many posters have no sense of perspective when it comes to coaching. "What has he ever won?" As if all jobs are the same or start each season at the same level. I swear, if Vince Lombardi or Don Shula took Podunk High School to the SECCG and lost, the majority of posters on here would be scoffing, "He hasn't won shite! Choked in the big game!!!!"
For UK to even be sniffing a division title is a damn good coaching job.
For UK to even be sniffing a division title is a damn good coaching job.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:44 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I am not saying UK could do better, I am simply pointing out that UK's rise in the east, has more to do with the shitpile the east has become. I am not sure UK is better, as much as the east is simply worse, and UK is about the same. Being second place in that division is not much of an accomplishment even for UK.
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:47 pm to viceman
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Being second place in that division is not much of an accomplishment even for UK.
For a team that's never won it, I promise you it is.
We stumbled our way into a championship appearance in 2010 and got destroyed by Auburn. But dammit if I wasn't proud as frick for seeing us make it.
It's exciting knowing the scenario is there.
This post was edited on 10/31/16 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 10/31/16 at 11:48 pm to Spaghettios
Tennessee is young
give them time
butch needs to be kept around till they grow up
have kids of their own and their kid have kids. lifetime contract
give them time
butch needs to be kept around till they grow up
have kids of their own and their kid have kids. lifetime contract
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:02 am to viceman
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I am not sure UK is better, as much as the east is simply worse, and UK is about the same
this and Kentucky could still realistically finish 6-6. They'll beat Austin Peay, will probably lose to Lousville, and they still have games against UGA and Tennessee. I know UGA and Tennessee have looked awful lately, but they will still likely be favorites in those games. If we're being honest, Kentucky got blasted by both of the above average teams they've played, Florida and Alabama. They lost a home game to Southern Miss, and they've beaten USC, Vandy, State, and Missouri, and only Missouri convincingly. Sure they may have improved, but it's yet to be seen if it's really them being better or the East just being that bad. I tend to think the East is just really bad
Posted on 11/1/16 at 12:21 am to Spaghettios
You're a special kind of stupid
Posted on 11/1/16 at 5:04 am to BigOrangeBri
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You're a special kind of stupid
lol. When a good hole keeps producing fish why move the boat?
Posted on 11/1/16 at 5:07 am to TouchdownTony
Good grief, I'm certainly no Butch apologists, but most of you guys are ridiculously overhyping Stoops, he's won a couple of games against some lousy opponents, got beat by Southern Miss.in what some are saying is his "best year"and he's sure to do his annual late season melt starting now. Let's recap,
Stoops 1st year at UK, was a stellar..2-7
Followed by his 2nd year, where I'm sure some of you had him winning it all when he was 5-1, only to come thudding back to earth finishing the season with 6 straight losses and a 5-7 record.
His 3rd year, he only lost 6 out of the last 7, again with a superb 5-7 record.
Stoops hasn't won shite, Never even been to a bowl game, isn't headed for a better job and will eventually be fired by UK, even though they suck in football and gave BS some hideous contract extension.
Stoops 1st year at UK, was a stellar..2-7
Followed by his 2nd year, where I'm sure some of you had him winning it all when he was 5-1, only to come thudding back to earth finishing the season with 6 straight losses and a 5-7 record.
His 3rd year, he only lost 6 out of the last 7, again with a superb 5-7 record.
Stoops hasn't won shite, Never even been to a bowl game, isn't headed for a better job and will eventually be fired by UK, even though they suck in football and gave BS some hideous contract extension.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 5:14 am to superstroke33
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Stoops 1st year at UK, was a stellar..2-7 Followed by his 2nd year, where I'm sure some of you had him winning it all when he was 5-1, only to come thudding back to earth finishing the season with 6 straight losses and a 5-7 record. His 3rd year, he only lost 6 out of the last 7, again with a superb 5-7 record.
Assuming the high likihood that he beats Austin Peay, he's essentially gotten better every year.
Isn't that what we hired him to do? And I like how you fail to note that he inherited a far bigger shitshow than anyone else following Joker Phillips. frick, y'all even got rid of Joker.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 5:59 am to TouchdownTony
Pete Carroll would qualify as a buddy coach
Posted on 11/1/16 at 6:59 am to Spaghettios
Butch Jones is a band geek who followed ND Coach Brian Kelly's career every. single. stop. of. the. way.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 7:01 am to BluegrassBelle
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Assuming the high likihood that he beats Austin Peay, he's essentially gotten better every year.
Isn't that what we hired him to do? And I like how you fail to note that he inherited a far bigger shitshow than anyone else following Joker Phillips. frick, y'all even got rid of Joker.
Stoops is a little better than Joker as a head coach, no doubt, but that's a very low bar and he's far from a great coach who is building anything, imo.
Yes, if he loses 4 or 5 of his last 6, he will have his best record..I don't think that's really creating much momentum.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 7:18 am to vengeanceofrain
Say it again vengeance
Posted on 11/1/16 at 8:16 am to Spaghettios
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Stoops had no talent, oversaw a major rebuild, and is competing for the East before Butch Jones.
How do you figure that? Both UT and UK are in exactly the same position in the SEC East race. Each needs to win out and have the Pussy Gators lose twice. Until this past weekend, UT was in the better position, needing only one loss by the Pussy Gators.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 8:24 am to lsufball19
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they've beaten USC, Vandy, State, and Missouri, and only Missouri convincingly.
How often does Kentucky beat even those teams? To sweep those four is above their norm. I think they have a chance against UGa and UT, even though they are likely to be underdogs in those games. How often does that happen? Sweeping the bad teams and having a realistic chance against the usual big boys is definitely a step up for Kentucky.
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the East just being that bad
No doubt USC, Vandy and Mizzou are terrible. Georgia is struggling pretty badly, too. Pussy Gators and Vols are the only two good teams, even though Tennessee was upset by USC. But that's been the story for the East forever, with the exception of Georgia usually being up there in the tier with the Pussy Gators and Vols.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 8:30 am to Spaghettios
Butch Jones inherited lots of talent
Is the phone ringing? ESPN is calling you to be their new college football pundit. Because you just showed you know absolutely nothing about the subject. In Dooley's last full recruiting cycle, he signed 0 (that's a zero) offensive linemen.
Is the phone ringing? ESPN is calling you to be their new college football pundit. Because you just showed you know absolutely nothing about the subject. In Dooley's last full recruiting cycle, he signed 0 (that's a zero) offensive linemen.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 1:08 pm to superstroke33
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.I don't think that's really creating much momentum.
For the sake of perspective, UK hasn't had 6 wins since 2010 (Joker's 1st season). They haven't seen 7 wins since 2009 (Brooks) and 8 since 2007 (Also Brooks).
Since 1984 (Collier's 9 win season), Kentucky fans have only seen 2 seasons with 8+ wins.
The last time they had 4 wins in conference was 2006 (Brooks). They haven't had 5 wins since '77 I believe.
So you'll have to forgive me for taking into consideration more than just football since Joker.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 5:50 pm to Scoreboard
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Because you just showed you know absolutely nothing about the subject. In Dooley's last full recruiting cycle, he signed 0 (that's a zero) offensive linemen.
You don't either. If you did you would know the recruiting limitations Dooley had. Having approx 65 roster players, and having a couple scholarships down thanks to Kiffin.
Dooley handed Jones a talent filled starting OL, and UT also lost Arkansas Skipper when Pittman left. What Jones did with the OL he was handed was sad, and a sign of what we are seeing now on the player development side.
Dooley had to balance his recruiting out to try to fill out ALL positions. Didn't have the luxury of being able to sign up into the 30s like Jones did his first years.
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