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Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:02 pm to bmy
I think total rushing yards is more relevant than a stat in which one of the guys didn't even participate. If he wanted to list the return yards for McCaffrey, that's cool - but don't do that under the guise of trying to make comparisons while not including 2 major stats the two guys both participated in 
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:08 pm to alabamabuckeye
It's irrelevant when comparing them as RBs, absolutely not irrelevant when comparing them as players.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:18 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I think total rushing yards is more relevant than a stat in which one of the guys didn't even participate. If he wanted to list the return yards for McCaffrey, that's cool - but don't do that under the guise of trying to make comparisons while not including 2 major stats the two guys both participated in
i agree
sketchy 
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:23 pm to AesopsGators
mcaffery had 1 game against a top 25 defense (#11 NW). only had 89 yards and zero tds in the loss.
henry dominated in his 4 games vs top 25 defenses (#3 wisc, #6 UF, #8 uga, #25 lsu). had 159 yards and 3tds against best defense he faced. 123 touches for 706 yards and 8tds total.
henry dominated in his 4 games vs top 25 defenses (#3 wisc, #6 UF, #8 uga, #25 lsu). had 159 yards and 3tds against best defense he faced. 123 touches for 706 yards and 8tds total.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:27 pm to bmy
Well Vegas has Henry at -1200
And have McCaffrey at +500
Watson at +1500
Vegas is in the business of knowing these things. Also some books have shut down the betting because it's so lopsided
And have McCaffrey at +500
Watson at +1500
Vegas is in the business of knowing these things. Also some books have shut down the betting because it's so lopsided
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:37 pm to Ross
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absolutely not irrelevant when comparing them as players.
You can throw out return yards and I'll throw out this; He got almost 1100 yards returning, kicks, not sure the exact amount, on 36 returns. One was for a 98 yard touchdown. That means the rest were a bunch of returns that came to about the 25 when most probably would have been touchbacks anyway. Given the fact that Stanford had a pretty piss poor D themselves and gave up 30 or more points in most games, he probably averaged 100 yards a game or so returning kicks that probably would have resulted in the same thing by downing them. Henry did better against better defenses.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:37 pm to Tuscaloosa
The Heisman is not a running back award. It is a football player award. McCaffery's total contribution to his team was greater. He had a couple hundred fewer rushing yards (don't have the stats open right now), but he had 400+ more receiving yards and 1000 more return yards. His total contribution was greater and more important than Henry's. Bama would just plug in another guy if Henry didn't play. Stanford probably could not do that for McCaffery.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:39 pm to Ross
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Arkansas lost to Toledo
South Carolina lost to the Citadel (and lost to Clemson, but that's not that bad)
Florida got blown out against FSU and got really lucky to escape with the W against FAU
Ole Miss got blown out against Memphis
Vanderbilt lost to Western Kentucky and got blown out against Houston
Kentucky lost to Louisville and got taken down to the wire by Eastern Kentucky
Tennessee lost to Oklahoma
Georgia had to barely escape with a W over Georgia Southern
Auburn got taken into OT at home by FCS Jacksonville State.
Missouri beat BYU in a good win for them, but otherwise they were a dumpster fire all year.
I do not believe the SEC was significantly better than the Pac 12, ACC, or Big 10, or better at all even. It was a league with flawed teams from top to bottom with one really good team in Alabama.
Absolutely correct. The SEC's best OOC wins of the season are USC over UNC (this is the single best win nothing else is close and if the game was played in November USC loses by 70+), Bama over Wisc, and.... UGA over GT? UT over BGSU? Mizzou over BYU???
Seriously it is pathetic. Top to bottom the SEC is not very good. Bama is good - I think - though honestly they have made a living this year by beating up on inferior teams in their conference. While I think they will win a game in the CFP, I am not sold that they can win both as I think both Clemson and Oklahoma match up pretty well against them. Either team would have by far the best QB they will have played this year and frankly Bama's secondary can be beat if your line can provide any protection and you are accurate (Treon missed guys who had nothing but grass within 10 yards so many times....).
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:45 pm to AesopsGators
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Either team would have by far the best QB they will have played this year
Not true; Prescott, Allen and Kelly' s stats all matchup very well with all the CFP qb's and they played against better D's than the others.
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Treon missed guys who had nothing but grass within 10 yards so many times
And you don't think the constant pressure he was under had anything to do with that? Missed recievers are not always from blown assignments on the D.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:51 pm to joshreed293
SEC Defensive stats are skewed because SEC Offenses have sucked so bad due to QB play.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:55 pm to ChEgrad
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but he had 400+ more receiving yards and 1000 more return yards.
How many more touchdowns did he have?
How many Top 25 defenses did he play against and what were the results?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:56 pm to Tuscaloosa
I ran the rushing S&P+ Defense numbers for teams Alabama, Clemson, Stanford, and Navy have faced. If youre unfamiliar with S&P+, it's advanced statistical analysis that adjusts for quality of opponent faced, garbage time, etc.
Average ranks: (Hint: Lower is Better!)
Alabama's opponents: 42.83
Clemson's opponents: 60.67
Stanford's opponents: 63.92
Navy's opponents: 71.27
LINK
This should make it clear Henry has faced higher quality rushing defenses than his Heisman rivals.
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