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re: Heisman year comparison: '09 Ingram vs. '85 Jackson
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:55 pm to parkjas2001
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:55 pm to parkjas2001
Don't get me wrong. Bo was a great back. Probably in the top ten in SEC history. But he wasn't first, or even second. There have been better running backs. That's not a knock on him, like some of you Au fans want to imagine. Athletes have developed over time and gotten better. If you put Bo in his prime against today's defenses, he doesn't do what DMac did, several other backs.
Having said that, I don't believe there's been a better athlete, ever. To me, that's a greater compliment than thinking he is the best rb. I don't get why yall want to be so offended, to overlook that statement.
Having said that, I don't believe there's been a better athlete, ever. To me, that's a greater compliment than thinking he is the best rb. I don't get why yall want to be so offended, to overlook that statement.
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Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:55 pm to Bose Ikard
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No Go Bo at the Co Bo
In fairness, Bo did have 203 yards of offense against A&M in that game. 129 rushing, 73 receiving.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:56 pm to RollTide1987
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But all it takes is one fluke season for Ingram to get into a Pro Bowl and equal what Jackson did in the NFL.
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You can laugh at it if you want to but it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.
Thanks for the permission updyke. I'll do that.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:56 pm to FlukerFlakes
Since Bo did not have the opportunity to play in the SECCG, I think the OP should erase the following statistics. You know, to make things fair and all:
28 Rushes; 113 Yards; 3 TD
2 Receptions; 76 Yards.
TIA.
28 Rushes; 113 Yards; 3 TD
2 Receptions; 76 Yards.
TIA.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:56 pm to TT9
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Why are Lsu fans in a heisman thread
They seem to be taking this thread way worse than the Aubs. Im not sure why they are here at all.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:56 pm to DrunkTigerBaiter
I love everyone made this clear it was a troll thread, yet so many got hooked. 
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:56 pm to DrunkTigerBaiter
I think there's only one real metric for this..
How many saturday morning cartoon series have included them as a main character?
Bo Jackson: 1
Mark Ingram: 0
How many saturday morning cartoon series have included them as a main character?
Bo Jackson: 1
Mark Ingram: 0
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:57 pm to FlukerFlakes
Billy Cannon averaged 6.8 yards per touch in 1958, the year before he won the Heisman.
Cannon>Ingram>Bo
Cannon>Ingram>Bo
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:57 pm to Alahunter
Fun Stats of the Day
The following is a comparison between Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams, Adrian Peterson and Darren McFadden.
Career Numbers:
Herschel Walker ……….. 5596yds-1083-57tds (36 games) 155.4 YPG / 5.17 YPC
Ron Dayne ……………... 7125yds-1220-71tds (47 games) 151.6 YPG / 5.84 YPC
Ricky Williams ………… 6592yds-1064-75tds (49 games) 134.5 YPG / 6.19 YPC
Adrian Peterson ………... 4045yds-747-41tds (31 games) 130.5 YPG / 5.41 YPG
Darren McFadden …...…. 4484yds-763-40tds (38 games) 118.0 YPG / 5.88 YPC
Bo Jackson …………..…. 4714yds-735-48tds (41 games) 114.9 YPG / 6.41 YPC
Herschel Walker, Darren McFadden, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams and Adrian Peterson had more career carries than Bo Jackson but when you focus on quality and not quantity, it paints a whole new picture. Ricky Williams had a career average of 6.19 yards per carry. McFadden averaged 5.88 yards per carry, better than Adrian Peterson’s 5.41 rushing average and Herschel Walker’s 5.17 average per carry. Ron Dayne was right behind McFadden with 5.84 yards per carry. Bo Jackson tops all four with a career average per carry of 6.41 yards. Ricky Williams possessed the best TD ratio with 1 every 14.2 carries. Bo Jackson scored a rushing touchdown every 15.3 carries, better than Dayne’s 17.2, Peterson’s 18.2, Walker’s 19.0 and McFadden’s 19.1.
Top 11 Career Games:
Dayne ……… 2798yds-355-28tds / 254.4 YPG / 7.9 YPC / 12.6 att per TD
Williams …… 2763yds-364-36tds / 251.2 YPG / 7.6 YPC / 10.1 att per TD
Walker …….. 2468yds-398-25tds / 224.4 YPG / 6.2 avg / 15.9 att per TD
Peterson …… 2231yds-321-21tds / 202.8 YPG / 6.9 avg / 15.3 att per TD
McFadden …. 2202yds-307-19tds / 200.2 YPG / 7.17 avg / 16.2 att per TD
Jackson …..... 2175yds-301-20tds / 197.7 YPG / 7.22 avg / 15.0 att per TD
Once again, Walker, Peterson, Dayne, Williams and McFadden lead in total yards with more carries than Jackson. In terms of quality, Ron Dayne had the highest yards per carry with 7.9 yards per rush and Ricky Williams possessed the best TD ratio of 1 evert 10.1 attempts.
Career Games of 20 carries or more:
Jackson ….… 2193yds-325-19tds / 182.7 YPG / 6.74 avg / 17.1 att per TD
Williams …... 4857yds-779-55tds / 179.9 YPG / 6.23 avg / 14.2 att per TD
Dayne ……... 6330yds-1075-67tds / 175.8 YPG / 5.89 avg / 16.0 att per TD
Walker …….. 5463yds-1052-57tds / 165.5 YPG /5.19 avg / 18.4 att per TD
McFadden …. 3261yds-552-24tds / 155.3 YPG / 5.90 avg / 23.0 att per TD
Peterson …… 3830yds-700-39tds / 147.3 YPG / 5.47 avg / 17.9 att per TD
Walker had 33 games of at least 20 carries, Peterson had 26 and McFadden had 21 games, compared to Bo Jackson’s 12 games. Like Walker, Ron Dayne was a workhorse with 36 career games and Ricky Williams had 27 games. Bo averaged 182.7 yards per game compared to Williams’ 179.9, Dayne’s 175.8, Walker's 165.5, McFadden’s 155.3 average and Peterson’s 147.3 yards. Bo Jackson had the better average per carry and scored more frequently except for Ron Dayne and Ricky Williams. Jackson had fewer 20-carry games because he played in the wishbone offense in 3 of his 4 seasons.
Conference Games:
Walker …….. 168.9 yds per game / 5.23 avg / 20.0 att per TD
Dayne ……… 145.4 yds per game / 5.32 avg / 20.8 att per TD
McFadden …. 128.6 yds per game / 5.63 avg / 23.8 att per TD
Williams …… 136.1 yds per game / 5.93 avg / 18.4 att per TD
Jackson …..... 113.2 yds per game / 6.27 avg / 17.2 att per TD
Peterson …… 112.1 yds per game / 5.81 avg / 14.8 att per TD
Because of more attempts, Herschel Walker, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams and Darren McFadden had a better average in yards per game than Bo Jackson and Adrian Peterson. In terms of quality, Bo Jackson had a higher average per carry than the other five backs but Adrian Peterson had the best TD ratio against conference opponents.
Number of games averaging 5 or more yards per carry:
Jackson ……. 29 of 41 (70.7%)
Williams …… 32 of 49 (65.3%)
McFadden …. 24 of 38 (63.2%)
Dayne ……… 28 of 47 (59.6%)
Peterson …… 17 of 31 (54.8%)
Walker …….. 16 of 36 (44.4%)
Number of games averaging 6 or more yards per carry:
Jackson ……. 21 of 41 (51.2%)
McFadden …. 18 of 38 (47.4%)
Williams …… 22 of 49 (44.9%)
Peterson …… 13 of 31 (41.9%)
Dayne ……... 18 of 47 (38.3%)
Walker …….. 11 of 36 (30.5%)
Number of games averaging 7 or more yards per carry:
McFadden …. 12 of 38 (31.6%)
Williams …… 14 of 49 (28.6%)
Dayne ……… 12 of 47 (25.5%)
Jackson ……. 10 of 41 (24.4%)
Peterson …… 6 of 31 (19.3%)
Walker …….. 3 of 36 (8.3%)
Games against Opponents with winning record:
During Adrian Peterson’s career, he faced a strength of schedule of .612. Bo Jackson faced a strength of schedule of .601. Darren McFadden faced a strength of schedule of .566, Ricky Williams faced a .525 and Ron Dayne was at .494. Herschel Walker had the lowest level of competition att at .485. Of Bo Jackson’s 41 games, 29 of his opponents had a winning record (70.7 pct). Peterson’s competition came from 19 teams of 31 with a winning record (61.3 pct). McFadden faced 21 of 38 (55.3 pct), Williams faced 25 of 49 (51.0 pct) and Ron Dayne faced as winning opponent in 20 of 47 games (42.5%). Herschel Walker faced only 15 of 36 (41.7 pct).
Herschel Walker …… 2253yds-470-21tds / 150.2 YPG / 4.79 YPC / 22.4 ATD
Darren McFadden ….. 2949yds-492-21tds / 140.4 YPG / 5.99 YPC / 23.4 ATD
Ron Dayne …………. 2414yds-468-18tds / 120.7 YPG / 5.16 YPC / 26.0 ATD
Adrian Peterson ……. 2285yds-452-23tds / 120.3 YPG / 5.06 YPC / 19.7 ATD
Ricky Williams ……. 2952yds-540-24tds / 118.1 YPG / 5.47 YPC / 22.5 ATD
Bo Jackson …………. 3227yds-527-31tds / 111.3 YPG / 6.12 YPC / 17.0 ATD
Herschel Walker had the best average in yards per game but Bo Jackson finished with the best yards per carry and TD ratio against the more difficult competition.
Games against Opponents with win percentage of .750 or better:
Ron Dayne (12) …………. 1394yds-282-11tds / 116.2 YPG / 4.94 YPC / 25.6 ATD
Darren McFadden (11) …. 1274yds-218-12tds / 115.8 YPG / 5.84 YPC / 18.2 ATD
Bo Jackson (13) ………… 1470yds-254-11tds / 113.1 YPG / 5.78 YPC / 23.1 ATD
Herschel Walker (6) …..…. 645yds-159-7tds / 107.5 YPG / 4.06 YPC / 22.7 ATD
Ricky Williams (11) …….. 1044yds-216-7tds / 94.9 YPG / 4.83 YPC / 30.9 ATD
Adrian Peterson (10) ……. 916yds-218-8tds / 91.6 YPG / 4.20 YPC / 27.2 ATD
Ron Dayne had the highest yards per game with 116.2 against opponents with a win percentage of at least .750. Darren McFadden had the best yards per carry and TD ratio. Bo Jackson was close behind McFadden in this category. According to the University of Texas official athletic website, Ricky Williams was a fullback during his first 2 seasons and a halfback during his final 2 years. As a fullback, Williams averaged 91.2 YPG and 183.5 YPG as a halfback.
Bowl stats are included for all the above backs.
The following is a comparison between Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams, Adrian Peterson and Darren McFadden.
Career Numbers:
Herschel Walker ……….. 5596yds-1083-57tds (36 games) 155.4 YPG / 5.17 YPC
Ron Dayne ……………... 7125yds-1220-71tds (47 games) 151.6 YPG / 5.84 YPC
Ricky Williams ………… 6592yds-1064-75tds (49 games) 134.5 YPG / 6.19 YPC
Adrian Peterson ………... 4045yds-747-41tds (31 games) 130.5 YPG / 5.41 YPG
Darren McFadden …...…. 4484yds-763-40tds (38 games) 118.0 YPG / 5.88 YPC
Bo Jackson …………..…. 4714yds-735-48tds (41 games) 114.9 YPG / 6.41 YPC
Herschel Walker, Darren McFadden, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams and Adrian Peterson had more career carries than Bo Jackson but when you focus on quality and not quantity, it paints a whole new picture. Ricky Williams had a career average of 6.19 yards per carry. McFadden averaged 5.88 yards per carry, better than Adrian Peterson’s 5.41 rushing average and Herschel Walker’s 5.17 average per carry. Ron Dayne was right behind McFadden with 5.84 yards per carry. Bo Jackson tops all four with a career average per carry of 6.41 yards. Ricky Williams possessed the best TD ratio with 1 every 14.2 carries. Bo Jackson scored a rushing touchdown every 15.3 carries, better than Dayne’s 17.2, Peterson’s 18.2, Walker’s 19.0 and McFadden’s 19.1.
Top 11 Career Games:
Dayne ……… 2798yds-355-28tds / 254.4 YPG / 7.9 YPC / 12.6 att per TD
Williams …… 2763yds-364-36tds / 251.2 YPG / 7.6 YPC / 10.1 att per TD
Walker …….. 2468yds-398-25tds / 224.4 YPG / 6.2 avg / 15.9 att per TD
Peterson …… 2231yds-321-21tds / 202.8 YPG / 6.9 avg / 15.3 att per TD
McFadden …. 2202yds-307-19tds / 200.2 YPG / 7.17 avg / 16.2 att per TD
Jackson …..... 2175yds-301-20tds / 197.7 YPG / 7.22 avg / 15.0 att per TD
Once again, Walker, Peterson, Dayne, Williams and McFadden lead in total yards with more carries than Jackson. In terms of quality, Ron Dayne had the highest yards per carry with 7.9 yards per rush and Ricky Williams possessed the best TD ratio of 1 evert 10.1 attempts.
Career Games of 20 carries or more:
Jackson ….… 2193yds-325-19tds / 182.7 YPG / 6.74 avg / 17.1 att per TD
Williams …... 4857yds-779-55tds / 179.9 YPG / 6.23 avg / 14.2 att per TD
Dayne ……... 6330yds-1075-67tds / 175.8 YPG / 5.89 avg / 16.0 att per TD
Walker …….. 5463yds-1052-57tds / 165.5 YPG /5.19 avg / 18.4 att per TD
McFadden …. 3261yds-552-24tds / 155.3 YPG / 5.90 avg / 23.0 att per TD
Peterson …… 3830yds-700-39tds / 147.3 YPG / 5.47 avg / 17.9 att per TD
Walker had 33 games of at least 20 carries, Peterson had 26 and McFadden had 21 games, compared to Bo Jackson’s 12 games. Like Walker, Ron Dayne was a workhorse with 36 career games and Ricky Williams had 27 games. Bo averaged 182.7 yards per game compared to Williams’ 179.9, Dayne’s 175.8, Walker's 165.5, McFadden’s 155.3 average and Peterson’s 147.3 yards. Bo Jackson had the better average per carry and scored more frequently except for Ron Dayne and Ricky Williams. Jackson had fewer 20-carry games because he played in the wishbone offense in 3 of his 4 seasons.
Conference Games:
Walker …….. 168.9 yds per game / 5.23 avg / 20.0 att per TD
Dayne ……… 145.4 yds per game / 5.32 avg / 20.8 att per TD
McFadden …. 128.6 yds per game / 5.63 avg / 23.8 att per TD
Williams …… 136.1 yds per game / 5.93 avg / 18.4 att per TD
Jackson …..... 113.2 yds per game / 6.27 avg / 17.2 att per TD
Peterson …… 112.1 yds per game / 5.81 avg / 14.8 att per TD
Because of more attempts, Herschel Walker, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams and Darren McFadden had a better average in yards per game than Bo Jackson and Adrian Peterson. In terms of quality, Bo Jackson had a higher average per carry than the other five backs but Adrian Peterson had the best TD ratio against conference opponents.
Number of games averaging 5 or more yards per carry:
Jackson ……. 29 of 41 (70.7%)
Williams …… 32 of 49 (65.3%)
McFadden …. 24 of 38 (63.2%)
Dayne ……… 28 of 47 (59.6%)
Peterson …… 17 of 31 (54.8%)
Walker …….. 16 of 36 (44.4%)
Number of games averaging 6 or more yards per carry:
Jackson ……. 21 of 41 (51.2%)
McFadden …. 18 of 38 (47.4%)
Williams …… 22 of 49 (44.9%)
Peterson …… 13 of 31 (41.9%)
Dayne ……... 18 of 47 (38.3%)
Walker …….. 11 of 36 (30.5%)
Number of games averaging 7 or more yards per carry:
McFadden …. 12 of 38 (31.6%)
Williams …… 14 of 49 (28.6%)
Dayne ……… 12 of 47 (25.5%)
Jackson ……. 10 of 41 (24.4%)
Peterson …… 6 of 31 (19.3%)
Walker …….. 3 of 36 (8.3%)
Games against Opponents with winning record:
During Adrian Peterson’s career, he faced a strength of schedule of .612. Bo Jackson faced a strength of schedule of .601. Darren McFadden faced a strength of schedule of .566, Ricky Williams faced a .525 and Ron Dayne was at .494. Herschel Walker had the lowest level of competition att at .485. Of Bo Jackson’s 41 games, 29 of his opponents had a winning record (70.7 pct). Peterson’s competition came from 19 teams of 31 with a winning record (61.3 pct). McFadden faced 21 of 38 (55.3 pct), Williams faced 25 of 49 (51.0 pct) and Ron Dayne faced as winning opponent in 20 of 47 games (42.5%). Herschel Walker faced only 15 of 36 (41.7 pct).
Herschel Walker …… 2253yds-470-21tds / 150.2 YPG / 4.79 YPC / 22.4 ATD
Darren McFadden ….. 2949yds-492-21tds / 140.4 YPG / 5.99 YPC / 23.4 ATD
Ron Dayne …………. 2414yds-468-18tds / 120.7 YPG / 5.16 YPC / 26.0 ATD
Adrian Peterson ……. 2285yds-452-23tds / 120.3 YPG / 5.06 YPC / 19.7 ATD
Ricky Williams ……. 2952yds-540-24tds / 118.1 YPG / 5.47 YPC / 22.5 ATD
Bo Jackson …………. 3227yds-527-31tds / 111.3 YPG / 6.12 YPC / 17.0 ATD
Herschel Walker had the best average in yards per game but Bo Jackson finished with the best yards per carry and TD ratio against the more difficult competition.
Games against Opponents with win percentage of .750 or better:
Ron Dayne (12) …………. 1394yds-282-11tds / 116.2 YPG / 4.94 YPC / 25.6 ATD
Darren McFadden (11) …. 1274yds-218-12tds / 115.8 YPG / 5.84 YPC / 18.2 ATD
Bo Jackson (13) ………… 1470yds-254-11tds / 113.1 YPG / 5.78 YPC / 23.1 ATD
Herschel Walker (6) …..…. 645yds-159-7tds / 107.5 YPG / 4.06 YPC / 22.7 ATD
Ricky Williams (11) …….. 1044yds-216-7tds / 94.9 YPG / 4.83 YPC / 30.9 ATD
Adrian Peterson (10) ……. 916yds-218-8tds / 91.6 YPG / 4.20 YPC / 27.2 ATD
Ron Dayne had the highest yards per game with 116.2 against opponents with a win percentage of at least .750. Darren McFadden had the best yards per carry and TD ratio. Bo Jackson was close behind McFadden in this category. According to the University of Texas official athletic website, Ricky Williams was a fullback during his first 2 seasons and a halfback during his final 2 years. As a fullback, Williams averaged 91.2 YPG and 183.5 YPG as a halfback.
Bowl stats are included for all the above backs.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:57 pm to bamafan425
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I love everyone made this clear it was a troll thread, yet so many got hooked.
guess you haven't read many of my posts. Bama produces such simple one-dimensional minds
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:57 pm to TheMightyTerrier
Courtesy post to move off of 666 post count. 
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:58 pm to TheMightyTerrier
His team was 6th. Even if they had the SEC Championship game in '85, he wouldn't have played in it.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:58 pm to bamafan425
quote:Same here. Kind of unbelievable, huh?
I love everyone made this clear it was a troll thread, yet so many got hooked.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:58 pm to DWag215
Bo's stats in the Cotton Bowl against A&M:
31 carries - 129 yds
2 catches - 73 yds 1 TD
Bo was one of the MVP's of the game. But credit the wrecking crew defense (there is a good photo out there of them tackling Bo) -- Bo got stuffed on the goaline and Auburn lost by 20 -- though AU was only down 5 with a few minutes to play in the 4th quarter.
31 carries - 129 yds
2 catches - 73 yds 1 TD
Bo was one of the MVP's of the game. But credit the wrecking crew defense (there is a good photo out there of them tackling Bo) -- Bo got stuffed on the goaline and Auburn lost by 20 -- though AU was only down 5 with a few minutes to play in the 4th quarter.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:58 pm to FlukerFlakes
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so, Ingram's yards per play is actually HIGHER than Bo's was.
Wow, a whole 1.16 inches more per play
I think you should write a book
Oh and I like your selective rounding
This post was edited on 12/12/12 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 12/12/12 at 1:59 pm to TTsTowel
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Same here. Kind of unbelievable, huh?
On this site? No, not at all.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:00 pm to bamafan425
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Even if they had the SEC Championship game in '85
Exactly. They didn't.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:00 pm to TTsTowel
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Same here. Kind of unbelievable, huh?
It's just one of those topics some people can't resist.
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:00 pm to FlukerFlakes
Never has my one and only gif been more appropriate. I love Ingram, but...
Posted on 12/12/12 at 2:00 pm to NYCAuburn
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I think you should write a book
Why Mark Ingram shits all over Bo - By FlukerFlakes
Foreward by Matheson.
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