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re: Heisman Odds. Jeremy and Chubb with lowest SEC odds
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:06 am to therick711
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:06 am to therick711
Jeremy Johnson better hope this Hype train pays off. He didn't/couldn't beat out a Defensive Back. Nick Marshall is a great athlete but to say "our offense will be much better" is stupid. It would have been better last year with him starting so why wasn't he? Let me guess loyalty, blah blah.
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:07 am to therick711
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Tebow's stats declined from his monster 2007
This is true...but he also had a better team around him in 2008 and 2009 so everything wasn't on his shoulders. Using that as an example of Mullen's QBs regressing is misleading.
Prescott probably won't regress but Boykin is still a better QB on a better team. Outside of Tebow in 2007, I can't remember a player on a three loss team like MSU winning the Heisman when there was a statistically similar player on a one loss team like TCU.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:13 am to SneakyWaff1es
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This is true...but he also had a better team around him in 2008 and 2009 so everything wasn't on his shoulders. Using that as an example of Mullen's QBs regressing is misleading.
Not really. He rushed much less efficiently. His better team produced less yards per attempt, his completion percentage dipped. Obviously, in 2009 he experienced further decline, but we can hold that against Addazio if you want.
If you want other evidence, look no further than every quarterback he's had at State. Relf declined, Russell declined. Tyson Lee was the beacon of consistency, though.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:14 am to CrimsonBoz
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He didn't/couldn't beat out a Defensive Back
the stupidity on this board is amazing Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:15 am to CrimsonBoz
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Jeremy Johnson better hope this Hype train pays off. He didn't/couldn't beat out a Defensive Back.
Well, neither could Jay Coker. I think everyone has their problems.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:15 am to NYCAuburn
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He didn't/couldn't beat out a Defensive Back
the stupidity on this board is amazing
What position does Nick Marshall play? I'll wait.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:17 am to therick711
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If you want other evidence, look no further than every quarterback he's had at State. Relf declined, Russell declined. Tyson Lee was the beacon of consistency, though.
To counter, Dak is Mullen's first QB. Russell was recruited by Croom, you have to have mobility to work in his offense. Relf didn't decline so much as he never was. They tried to church him up by working him into more of a passing game and it just wasn't going to work. You're also ignoring injury, both Russell and Relf had serious injuries that affected their senior year, Russell was only physically able to play a handful of games.
ETA: Relf actually improved in completion percentage, he also had about the same TD/game ratio, I don't think it's fair to say that he regressed.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 9:20 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:19 am to skirpnasty
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both Russell and Relf had serious injuries that affected their senior year, Russell was only physically able to play a handful of games.
Russell started 7 games (I think) as a senior. He also healed up and yielded to Dak. Look, you can say whatever you want to justify it, but the numbers on Russell and Relf over time speak for themselves.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:22 am to therick711
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Russell started 7 games (I think) as a senior. He also healed up and yielded to Dak. Look, you can say whatever you want to justify it, but the numbers on Russell and Relf over time speak for themselves.
No, he didn't. He healed up and took the reigns back, then destroyed his shoulder against Arkansas in a heroic arse performance. It literally took him an entire year to rehab it, he walked on the field to flip the coin in the egg bowl and it looked like a lifeless appendage draping from his body. He was physically unable to hold a football for the last 2.5 games, and went out in game one for an injury that kept him out for the majority of the season. He was never at 100% after about half of game one in his senior season.
Relf improved in terms of completion %. Your argument is shaky at best.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 9:24 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:22 am to CrimsonBoz
It is pretty stupid for a bammer to make fun of Nick Marshall when had 450 yards against your defense, However, I am sure your defense will be a lot better after giving up a zillion points and yards against both Auburn and Ohio State at the end of last year, huh?
You can also let me know the last time any team benched a quarterback who led them to a conference championship and appearance in the national championship game the previous year
You can also let me know the last time any team benched a quarterback who led them to a conference championship and appearance in the national championship game the previous year
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:24 am to CrimsonBoz
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What position does Nick Marshall play? I'll wait.
What position did he play when he was at Auburn, CC, and High School? I'll wait...
but please continue with your stupidity lil broseph
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:24 am to skirpnasty
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ETA: Relf actually improved in completion percentage, he also had about the same TD/game ratio, I don't think it's fair to say that he regressed.
So lower yards, y/a, td:int, qbr, much worse rushing, many more turnovers. If you don't think he regressed, that fine, but the numbers are pretty stark.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:27 am to therick711
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So lower yards, y/a, td:int, qbr, much worse rushing, many more turnovers. If you don't think he regressed, that fine, but the numbers are pretty stark.
Fewer games played and way fewer snaps, like I said, he was injured. Russell played in 9 games and threw like 129 passes that year because Relf was nagged with injuries. Dylan Favre also appeared in 9 games that year. We had a cluster frick at QB.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 9:29 am
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:30 am to skirpnasty
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Fewer games played and way fewer snaps, like I said, he was injured. Russell played in 9 games and threw like 129 passes that year because Relf was nagged with injuries.
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He healed up and took the reigns back, then destroyed his shoulder against Arkansas in a heroic arse performance
quote:So you're saying Mullen's offense injures his QBs?
You're also ignoring injury, both Russell and Relf had serious injuries that affected their senior year, Russell was only physically able to play a handful of games.
Not looking good for Dak this year...
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:31 am to joeyb147
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Not looking good for Dak this year...
Thank god he's built like a brick stacked shite house.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:40 am to skirpnasty
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Fewer games played and way fewer snaps, like I said, he was injured.
He also sucked. Go and google Relf turnovers. Read how many games reporters wrote ledes saying that Relf gave 2010 games away with fumbles and interceptions.
He had less snaps because Mullen pulled him because his turnovers were killing the team. I'm not making that up, Mullen is quoted as saying that in one of those articles. Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:45 am to auburnphan23
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It is pretty stupid for a bammer to make fun of Nick Marshall when had 450 yards against your defense, However, I am sure your defense will be a lot better after giving up a zillion points and yards against both Auburn and Ohio State at the end of last year, huh?
You can also let me know the last time any team benched a quarterback who led them to a conference championship and appearance in the national championship game the previous year
But your offense will be better
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:46 am to NYCAuburn
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What position did he play when he was at Auburn, CC, and High School? I'll wait...
but please continue with your stupidity lil broseph
Cool story guess it all paid off huh, lil bro be serious lol
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:48 am to CrimsonBoz
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Cool story guess it all paid off huh,
So in other words, my original statement holds true.
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lil bro be serious lol
Not sure why you are so serious
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:52 am to NYCAuburn
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Cool story guess it all paid off huh,
So in other words, my original statement holds true.
No not at all, I let you walk right into it. You just posted up all of Marshalls numbers yet the barn offense will better without him. Makes sense
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