re: Have You Ever Seen A Less Respected Champion Than Auburn?

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No... the only ones claiming cheating are the ones that know Cecil shopped his son to Miss St for 180k, and arent buying the lame arse excuse that Cam didnt know. No one hated on LSU, Florida, or Bama for winning theirs. Yea thats right cause there were no pay for play allegations. Get your head out of your arse....hahaha

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You believe what you want to believe...when there is ambiguity/unanswered questions, peolple draw from it what they will, what supports what they want to believe.

So let me get this straight...in all the evidence that the FBI/NCAA/SEC has that any of us know about, Cam was involved in zero conversations concerning money and had in fact, left the decision up to his dad. So the only other way Cam knew, is if Cecil told him about it. Cecil is a preacher and while he may have done a poor job, he did raise him family within a Christian framwork. So you are telling me and everyone else that it is crystal clear that Cam knew (because his dad told him), when it would have shamed Cecil to do so and would have accomplished absolutely nothing?

Sorry pal...he may have known, but it impossible to even hone in on a probability based on what we know. Another example of people willing to do the jedi mind frick on themselves to feel better about the circumstances.

Again...let me point out the most of the hate is coming from LSU and Bama fans...both currently under self-imposed or NCAA sanctions. Got irony? Got butthurt? How about a dash of hypocrisy?

tell you what, since the rest of the SEC is so touchy about our BCSNC how about you just return those 2 million $ plus checks to AU for that huge bowl payout .... plenty of jealousy from both the LSU and UAT fanbases here...

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You believe what you want to believe...when there is ambiguity/unanswered questions, peolple draw from it what they will, what supports what they want to believe.

So let me get this straight...in all the evidence that the FBI/NCAA/SEC has that any of us know about, Cam was involved in zero conversations concerning money and had in fact, left the decision up to his dad. So the only other way Cam knew, is if Cecil told him about it. Cecil is a preacher and while he may have done a poor job, he did raise him family within a Christian framwork. So you are telling me and everyone else that it is crystal clear that Cam knew (because his dad told him), when it would have shamed Cecil to do so and would have accomplished absolutely nothing?

Sorry pal...he may have known, but it impossible to even hone in on a probability based on what we know. Another example of people willing to do the jedi mind frick on themselves to feel better about the circumstances.

Again...let me point out the most of the hate is coming from LSU and Bama fans...both currently under self-imposed or NCAA sanctions. Got irony? Got butthurt? How about a dash of hypocrisy?

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Swear to God this was lifted from a USC website.

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BYU 1984

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I suspect that half the teams in the top ten in 1984 could have beat BYU. they only played 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday bowl.
Mich was not among the top 3 in their own conference.

Auburn won the SEC and beat the Pac 10 champ.

Aubie > BYU.

So.. aubie is #2, least respected champion. Aubie is recognized as superior on the field, which BYU was not.

Aubie is spat upon, for being the criminals they are.
That kind of DISRESPECT, will never clean up.

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Swear to God this was lifted from a USC website.

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I made a point of posting USC quotes in a Cam thread a while back.

Some of these guys say the EXACT same things.

Uncanny.

I expect a similar outcome in a similar timeframe.

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AuburnTiger08

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Buck up young Aubie. The sun will come up tomorrow.

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the realist aubie fans are taking a wait and see mentality, and all agree if somethign does come out of it and we lose it - then we deserve whatever we get

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Good stuff. Honest. Straightforward. I can respect that.

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What I mean is that they talked a lot about God, had all the kids going to church twice a week, read and quoted the bible, etc... he was supposed to be a man of God...he was supposed to be someone that Cam looked up to. This would have changed the way that Cam viewed his father, negatively and in a big way. So if Cecil didn't have to tell him, why the hell would he??? My personal opinion is that Cecil reconciled doing this because he was planning on spending the money on the church. But that's just my guess and probably what I want to believe. It makes a hell of a lot more sense though than everyone else theory that Cam had to know...and then backing that up without even a logical reason why he would have to know, let alone a shred of proof.

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I think you are correct when you say "that's just my guess and probably what I want to believe"

By all appearances Cam and Cecil are extremely close and it's extremely hard to believe that Cam wasn't told by Cecil what was going on when he committed to Auburn after trying to hit up MSU for cash

It's a very important topic and they appear to have a pretty open and honest relationship - the logical thing to assume is that Cam was kept in the loop by Cecil but they realized the NCAA would let them at least temporarily skate if they lied about Cam knowing

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I expect a similar outcome in a similar timeframe.

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I expect a similar outcome but in a much shorter timeframe. USC didn't have the feds snooping around. Those dudes don't play like the NCAA.