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re: Has Steve Spurrier underachieved?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:25 am to CarolinaCock
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:25 am to CarolinaCock
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Bottom line is this. Spurriers already forgotten more about coaching than Saban will ever know. Spurrier builds programs Saban is more like a really good Gm. He's not a better coach than spurrier is.
This is kind of what I was getting at. If all things were equal, and Saban and Spurrier were handed teams on gameday and had not coached these teams except for that day, Spurrier would wipe the floor with him. Saban wins by outworking people.
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:26 am to theGarnetWay
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Yeah we don't have much hardware but we have our first ever top 10 and top finishes, our 1st 3 11-win seasons, longest win streak currently in the nation and an ongoing school best, a few all-americans, 1st ever 5-game win streak vs Clemson (1st 3 game and 4 game win streak vs them since the '60s) etc. etc. etc.
Also kind of what I was getting at. He's like the Bobby Cox of college football. A lot of wins but just not the hardware you would think he would have.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:32 am to HinesvilleThrill
He has been at South Carolina. If he had gone back to UF or gone to a better job he would likely have said hardware.
Instead, he took over a dumpster fire and turned it into a contender for the conference each year. I think he likes the expectations at South Carolina, he sets them for the program. Unlike the bigger programs that expect something.
Instead, he took over a dumpster fire and turned it into a contender for the conference each year. I think he likes the expectations at South Carolina, he sets them for the program. Unlike the bigger programs that expect something.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:41 am to HinesvilleThrill
Superior is the probably the greatest coach in my lifetime. Florida was crap before he took over, and he turned them into the top school in the SEC during the 90s. South Crackalaky was crap before he took over (I mean worse that MSU), and he took them to the SECC in 2010 and possibly this year. If he would have took over a historically better program after the Redskins, he'd probably have at least a couple more NCs by now.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 10:03 am to HinesvilleThrill
More like over achieved
Posted on 3/6/14 at 11:56 am to wartiger2004
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How many nattys does Richt have?
Always love these dumbass responses. "Has X underachieved?" "Your coach has underachieved!"
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:00 pm to HinesvilleThrill
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Has Steve Spurrier underachieved?
No
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:13 pm to theGarnetWay
I don't think so, though I do think last year was a massive missed opportunity- Beat Tennessee and USCe is probably the national champion- (great D-line play would have countered both AU and FSU's strengths significantly).
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:19 pm to CarolinaCock
I know most non-Bama folks don't like Saban, but I just don't understand the posts around here implying that he's not much of a coach. I haven't agreed with everything he's ever done but I can't deny what he's accomplished, not only at Bama, but at the other schools he's coached. The dude has 4 SEC championships and 4 BCS trophies at 2 different schools...it's not like he showed up at these programs and the football fairy waved her magic wand...I'm guessing that good coaching at least had something to do with it...
Gotta call BS on this. If you're saying Spurrier is a better game day coach, you might have an argument. However, coaching also includes preparation, player development, staff management, and recruiting; I'd argue that Saban is equal to or better than Spurrier in those areas...but maybe those are the things you've mentioned that Spurrier has forgotten about...
You think Michigan State has limitless recruiting resources and talent base compared to UF and SC? Michigan State is way behind Ohio State and Michigan in recruiting up in the Big 10 and has been since the mid-60's. Florida has arguably the best high school football talent in the nation...and have you ever been to the UF campus? It's beautiful and it recruits almost by itself. And if you think UF and SC were in worse shape before Spurrier took over than Michigan State and LSU were before Saban, I'd say you're mistaken...
The 4 years before Saban got to MSU, they had 4 straight non-winning seasons, the last one being a big 0-11. While he didn't exactly light it up, in his 5 years there he had an overall winning record and took 'em to 5 straight bowl games. LSU's program was a dumpster fire in the 90's as they had 7 losing seasons that decade; while DiNardo came in and brought back some respectability in his first years there, he ended on a downward trend as his last 2 were losing seasons. Saban came in and had 5 straight winning seasons, 5 bowl games, 2 SEC Championships, and 1 National Championship. Saban and Miles have built the program at LSU into what it is today. As for Bama, while we weren't in the worst shape when Saban arrived, we weren't exactly good either; we were probably in similar shape to UF before Spurrier arrived. It's already known what he's done for Bama so I won't dwell on it here other than to say that you can't deny that he's absolutely turned the program around (something the coaches before him weren't able to do with the same resources)...
Holtz had SC at least playing respectable after the disastrous Brad Scott years and had an overall winning record during his tenure...and SC was actually kickin' our butts in recruiting (despite our "limitless resources") in the early 2000's. As for UF, they had a streak of something like 10 straight non-losing seasons under Pell & Hall before Spurrier got there, so it's not like the cupboard was bare. As for Duke, Spurrier absolutely turned that program around as they had several consecutive losing seasons before he arrived and he took 'em to a bowl game before he left; he worked wonders there with no base to build from. And he's also done a fantastic job at UF and SC...but to say Spurrier's better than Saban at turning around programs doesn't hold water. I'd just say they're both equally good at turnarounds and leave it at that...
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Spurriers already forgotten more about coaching than Saban will ever know...
Gotta call BS on this. If you're saying Spurrier is a better game day coach, you might have an argument. However, coaching also includes preparation, player development, staff management, and recruiting; I'd argue that Saban is equal to or better than Spurrier in those areas...but maybe those are the things you've mentioned that Spurrier has forgotten about...
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I guess what I'm saying is when your coaching at schools like LSU, Bama and Mich St where you have limitless recruiting resources and a much larger talent base of players to choose from...
You think Michigan State has limitless recruiting resources and talent base compared to UF and SC? Michigan State is way behind Ohio State and Michigan in recruiting up in the Big 10 and has been since the mid-60's. Florida has arguably the best high school football talent in the nation...and have you ever been to the UF campus? It's beautiful and it recruits almost by itself. And if you think UF and SC were in worse shape before Spurrier took over than Michigan State and LSU were before Saban, I'd say you're mistaken...
The 4 years before Saban got to MSU, they had 4 straight non-winning seasons, the last one being a big 0-11. While he didn't exactly light it up, in his 5 years there he had an overall winning record and took 'em to 5 straight bowl games. LSU's program was a dumpster fire in the 90's as they had 7 losing seasons that decade; while DiNardo came in and brought back some respectability in his first years there, he ended on a downward trend as his last 2 were losing seasons. Saban came in and had 5 straight winning seasons, 5 bowl games, 2 SEC Championships, and 1 National Championship. Saban and Miles have built the program at LSU into what it is today. As for Bama, while we weren't in the worst shape when Saban arrived, we weren't exactly good either; we were probably in similar shape to UF before Spurrier arrived. It's already known what he's done for Bama so I won't dwell on it here other than to say that you can't deny that he's absolutely turned the program around (something the coaches before him weren't able to do with the same resources)...
Holtz had SC at least playing respectable after the disastrous Brad Scott years and had an overall winning record during his tenure...and SC was actually kickin' our butts in recruiting (despite our "limitless resources") in the early 2000's. As for UF, they had a streak of something like 10 straight non-losing seasons under Pell & Hall before Spurrier got there, so it's not like the cupboard was bare. As for Duke, Spurrier absolutely turned that program around as they had several consecutive losing seasons before he arrived and he took 'em to a bowl game before he left; he worked wonders there with no base to build from. And he's also done a fantastic job at UF and SC...but to say Spurrier's better than Saban at turning around programs doesn't hold water. I'd just say they're both equally good at turnarounds and leave it at that...
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:25 pm to HinesvilleThrill
He would've won a couple more championships had he not left UF.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:27 pm to HinesvilleThrill
This whole thing kind of depends on the standard you set for him.
Based solely on his records and achievements at Florida, he has underachieved at USCe because, although he has done well, he hasn't approached the success/domination he enjoyed with the gators. He has yet to win one SEC title at USCe and only been to the title game once whereupon he got stung with the most lopsided loss in SECCG history. Ouch.
However, based on what South Carolina was doing before SS showed up he has overachieved. South Carolina is clearly better than they have ever been in their history and seem to be on the verge of making some serious noise in the conference and nation. You do not get the sense yet that the Gcocks have peaked. The graph is still trending up for them and all that is left is conference and national titles. That's all on SS and is a heckuvan achievement.
So it just depends on what standard you use. He is a great coach regardless of the standard you use, though. JMVHO.
Based solely on his records and achievements at Florida, he has underachieved at USCe because, although he has done well, he hasn't approached the success/domination he enjoyed with the gators. He has yet to win one SEC title at USCe and only been to the title game once whereupon he got stung with the most lopsided loss in SECCG history. Ouch.
However, based on what South Carolina was doing before SS showed up he has overachieved. South Carolina is clearly better than they have ever been in their history and seem to be on the verge of making some serious noise in the conference and nation. You do not get the sense yet that the Gcocks have peaked. The graph is still trending up for them and all that is left is conference and national titles. That's all on SS and is a heckuvan achievement.
So it just depends on what standard you use. He is a great coach regardless of the standard you use, though. JMVHO.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:57 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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Look at what he did to South Carolina. No, he's one of the all time best.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:58 pm to HinesvilleThrill
Spurrier changed the way the entire SEC played the game and dominated the SEC for a long stretch. He's built USCe into a strong program that can continue to build in the future. Interestingly enough he's a better coach today than he was at UF IMO. At UF he would try to make his personnel fit the way he wanted them to play now he fits his plays around his personnel.
While I don't think he's one of the greatest of all time he's definately not an under achiever.
While I don't think he's one of the greatest of all time he's definately not an under achiever.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:03 pm to HinesvilleThrill
The simple fact that UGA fans are obsessed with USCe more than UT or UF shows how good he is.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:05 pm to Moustache
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The simple fact that UGA fans are obsessed with USCe more than UT or UF shows how good he is.
We're obsessed with Spurrier. The fact that he's at USCe kind of forces that part of it.
But it's Spurrier we're obsessed with.
Oh yes.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:06 pm to GoldenDawg
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We're obsessed with Spurrier
Only coach to score 50 in Athens
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:07 pm to parkjas2001
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We're obsessed with Spurrier
Only coach to score 50 in Athens
NO KIDDIN'???!!!!???!??!??
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:08 pm to socraticsilence
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I don't think so, though I do think last year was a massive missed opportunity- Beat Tennessee and USCe is probably the national champion- (great D-line play would have countered both AU and FSU's strengths significantly).
I agree that Spurrier probably is the most talented coach in the SEC today, but his teams always seem to have that 1 WTfrickingfrick game.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:09 pm to Moustache
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I agree that Spurrier probably is the most talented coach in the SEC today, but his teams always seem to have that 1 WTfrickingfrick game.
UT 2013
UGA 2012
AU 2011
AU 2010
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:10 pm to parkjas2001
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UT 2013
This was a Milesesque game
And it probably cost them the division.
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