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re: Give an honest assessment of your team going into the season
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:21 pm to Jacknola
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:21 pm to Jacknola
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This is what passes for "realistic' down here..."multiple DL first round draft picks?" really? any idea how many teams in CFB history sported "Mutiple first round DL draft picks" on the same team? Heck, why not say the "LSU DL will have four first team all-Americans who will be first round draft picks, lock, and that all will be perennial all-pros."
Im not saying the LSU DL will not be good, it might even be very good (the superlatives for the DL are coming mostly from group-think LSU fans on Tr, not national evaluations). But, it is not realistic to start talking this "multiple first round" non-sense. Point is, it is hard to get purple and gold glasses off this insular, isolated fan base in order to get any realistic look at the upcoming team.
So I'll give my usual negative biased evaluation (i'm also always negative about Alabama for what it's worth). It is hard to judge a completely new team in every respect. I don't ever remember a team more absolutely rebuilt, in the 60-70 years I've been concious about SEC football except maybe when Bryant came to Alabama. I mean rebuilt all the way down to the secretaries, nutrient staff, janitors, not to mention having to collect such a huge number of players and coaches from the wilds.
Given the complete unknown, I think LSU will be overmatched in about four games in conference, and will be 50-50 in the other four. If LSU wins one of the overmatch games and split the 50-50s, result could be 6-6 to 7-5 year depending on the bounce of the ball and the result of the FSU game... and that will be a good result for a first year. Remember Saban's first year at Alabama and Bryant's first year too.
Remember we are talking "realistic.." are we not?
Geez who pissed in your cheerios. I guess bama fans are now melting when they dont win a natty.
Your screeching response sounds like a woman complaining about equality.
Multiple first round draft picks on a DL, i dunno it's probably happened a decent amount of times in all of CFB history and most of those teams were probably pretty darn good. Dumb gump didnt see it on espn therefore it must not be true. These guys are monsters and you will hear more about them as the season progresses.
PFF seems to think highly of these two:
15. DI JAQUELIN ROY, LSU (JUNIOR)
37. EDGE B.J. OJULARI, LSU (JUNIOR) - sorry not 1st round but high second round
Ali gaye - 2nd team all sec in 2020, injured last year, back to form for 2022 and on preseason all sec list
Maason Smith only a sophomore PROJECTION First Round on 247sports
looks like some "national evaluations" are actually pretty high on these guys.
A rebuild doesn't necessarily have to start with a bad season. Urban Meyer took a 6-7 Ohio State team to 12-0 in his first year, and that was with a post season ban in place. So ok, Nick Saban lost 7 games his first season, cool. Irrelevant. Gump can only understand things in terms of nick saban history.
The complete unknown is actually good for LSUs situation, given the state and culture of the program from the previous 2 seasons. I'm saying it likely can't be worse than that.
The original post said nothing about "realistic", the word was honest and said to give an assessment of your team. Not surprised the gump cant read. And yes, this is an honest assessment, and it is spot on. It is very simple to draw a conclusion that this LSU team will be improved.
I can see your knowledge of sec football is very simple and revolves solely around espn pre season rankings. Go Tigers.
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:23 pm to SemperFiDawg
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That implies there's a chance that you can be good. There's NO chance of that. Just the truth Brother.
Well, I'm sure you've done your research and are correct in your conclusion that there is "NO chance" of a team picked to finish 6th in the East with a 5.5 over/under achieving anything. I mean it's NEVER happened before right?
2013 Bleacher Report:
Missouri Tigers
Prediction: 5-7, 1-7 (6th in SEC East)
2013 CBS Sports
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Missouri, 5.5 wins (over -260, under +180)
The good news: Murray State, Toledo, (at) Indiana and Arkansas State will give the Tigers a solid shot at a 4-0 start. The bad news: playing at Georgia and Ole Miss and vs. Florida, South Carolina and Texas A&M give the Tigers an equally solid shot at dropping at least five games. What's left are games at Vanderbilt and Kentucky and home against Tennessee. 2-1 is ever-ever-ever-so-slightly more likely than 1-2 if Gary Pinkel can find a quarterback, but that margin is too small to bet on it at -260 -- especially since even a win in Bloomington is no lock. Projection: Under
2013 SEC Preseaon Media Poll
EASTERN DIVISION
Georgia (149) - 1570
South Carolina (75) - 1474
Florida (19) - 1300
Vanderbilt - 858
Tennessee - 694
Missouri - 577
Kentucky - 331
But hey, bring on the low expectations. General consensus is NEVER wrong!
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:32 pm to CelticTiger
I think Mizzou will be considerably better on both sides of the ball. The depth throughout the team has absolutely improved after NCAA scholarship reduction has ended and some of the chaff from the previous staff has been weeded out and replaced by some high quality transfers. That combined with continued good special teams play gives the Tigers a chance at 8-4. Don't forget that last season, even with a horrendous rushing defense, Mizzou was in games at BC and UK until the very end.
I'm confident that Brady Cook will be more than capable of getting the ball to a deep group of receivers. He's accurate, looks to have a good command of the offense and can run a bit, too.
I understand the concern re: running back. Badie was excellent in so many ways. Hopefully Nathaniel Peat has recovered from being dinged up in camp. That guy can do one thing that Badie couldn't: hit the home run. I don't understand why Stanford didn't play him more. He averaged 5.1 ypc in an offense that averaged an abysmal 3.2 ypc.
I'm confident that Brady Cook will be more than capable of getting the ball to a deep group of receivers. He's accurate, looks to have a good command of the offense and can run a bit, too.
I understand the concern re: running back. Badie was excellent in so many ways. Hopefully Nathaniel Peat has recovered from being dinged up in camp. That guy can do one thing that Badie couldn't: hit the home run. I don't understand why Stanford didn't play him more. He averaged 5.1 ypc in an offense that averaged an abysmal 3.2 ypc.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:34 pm to bigDgator
I think we have a talented team facing a "fire the head coach" schedule.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:35 pm to theliontamer
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Urban Meyer took a 6-7 Ohio State team to 12-0 in his first year,[quote]
The 6-7 Ohio State team lost by:
3 to Michigan State (finished #10 at 11-3)
7 to Nebraska (finished #24 at 9-4)
3 in OT to Purdue (finished unranked at 7-6)
6 to Penn State (finished unranked at 9-4)
6 to Michigan (finished #9 at 11-2)
7 to Florida (finished unranked at 7-6)
Their only loss to a team that didn't finish above .500 was an 18 point loss to Miami (finished unranked at 6-6). That was their only loss by more than 7 points.
[quote]and that was with a post season ban in place.
They played Florida in the Gator bowl in Meyer's first year.
Compare that to LSU's season last year. LSU lost by:
11 to UCLA (finished unranked at 8-4)
5 to Auburn (finished unranked at 6-7)
21 to Kentucky (finished #15 at 10-3)
14 to Ole Miss (finished #11 at 10-3)
6 to Bama (finished #2 at 13-2)
3 to Arkansas (finished #21 at 9-4)
22 to Kansas State (finished unranked at 8-5)
LSU had one loss to a sub .500 team and 3 losses by 14 or more points. I think that Ohio State wasn't as down as their record might have suggested.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 4:35 pm to madmaxvol
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They played Florida in the Gator bowl in Meyer's first year.
Compare that to LSU's season last year. LSU lost by:
11 to UCLA (finished unranked at 8-4)
5 to Auburn (finished unranked at 6-7)
21 to Kentucky (finished #15 at 10-3)
14 to Ole Miss (finished #11 at 10-3)
6 to Bama (finished #2 at 13-2)
3 to Arkansas (finished #21 at 9-4)
22 to Kansas State (finished unranked at 8-5)
LSU had one loss to a sub .500 team and 3 losses by 14 or more points. I think that Ohio State wasn't as down as their record might have suggested.
They weren't, they just had Luke Fickell coaching before he was ready to be the head guy. They threw away a year, but they still had a lot of players on that squad that knew what it was to contend.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 4:36 pm to bigDgator
Ole Miss--looks good on paper, but can all the new pieces gel in time?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 4:48 pm to SidewalkTiger
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There's also a lack of depth at several key positions, the most important being corner.
I see 7-5 or 8-4.
7-5 is my base guess with unproven QB, OL, LB, and tailback.
Should be an entertaining team but not competitive for winning the conference
Posted on 8/23/22 at 4:51 pm to bigDgator
I’m optimistic about an 8-4 record but think 7-5 is likely. Kelly has done a great job of putting the program back together on and off the field but Orgeron left so little in his wake, I think we need a couple of years to really recover and get back in the title hunt.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 5:18 pm to cramps
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I can see LSU and aggie locked into a highly contested battle for 5th place in the west.
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Not sure how a 10-win A&M at the end of the year finishes 5th in the SEC West.
Ya'll are a 9-3 team this season. Can't win 10 without a tested QB.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 5:43 pm to bigDgator
Vols as of now
Really thin at RB. Four scholarship guys but 1 is coming off shoulder surgery and the other hasn’t taken a hit this year. That’s leaves 2 true freshman that will see too much time.
Really feeling good about QB. Milton has looked great by all accounts and the freshman has played really well so far.
Oline. LT scares me. The position battle is still going on. The rest are fine but LT could cause changes.
WR… assuming Mcoy is eligible this will be the best most talented unit in the SEC.
TE is shaping up to be a solid unit. Nothing to print cups over but reliable.
The front 7 are deep and talented. A unit that will win the Vols games.
The DB? They are a concern. A unit that can cost the Vols games.
Special Team will be fine.
Really thin at RB. Four scholarship guys but 1 is coming off shoulder surgery and the other hasn’t taken a hit this year. That’s leaves 2 true freshman that will see too much time.
Really feeling good about QB. Milton has looked great by all accounts and the freshman has played really well so far.
Oline. LT scares me. The position battle is still going on. The rest are fine but LT could cause changes.
WR… assuming Mcoy is eligible this will be the best most talented unit in the SEC.
TE is shaping up to be a solid unit. Nothing to print cups over but reliable.
The front 7 are deep and talented. A unit that will win the Vols games.
The DB? They are a concern. A unit that can cost the Vols games.
Special Team will be fine.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 5:49 pm to bigDgator
I think LSU is a solid 8-4. Won’t get blown out in any of the losses. Bama game will be like a 27-10 loss but I don’t consider that a blowout.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 5:56 pm to cramps
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Y'all just got beat.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Especially if that squirrel is an A&M fan. They love nuts.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 6:25 pm to Smokeyone
quote:I am a lot more confident than three weeks ago. Charles and Hadden are looking good by all accounts.
The DB? They are a concern. A unit that can cost the Vols games.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:27 pm to LetItBe
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And, how would you know that, pray tell?
Well, to be honest because I have been well endowed by my Creator.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:33 pm to Arzrbkfan
Unfortunately, you are probably correct. Bama is way up at the top. Arkansas, A&M, and Ole Miss are log jammed. As an LSU fan, I can only hope there is the sleeper factor to win some of these games. 4-4 in the West is possible.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:49 pm to bigDgator
Tennessee
Realistically I think we'll probably go 8-4. Worst case 7-5, best case is 9-3. Offense will be really good but we are thin at RB. Have to get better at short yardage situations as well.
Defensively we'll be better but I don't think we could be any worse last year. 3rd down defensive was one of the worst in the country and we have to get some pressure on the QB without blitzing LB's.
Realistically I think we'll probably go 8-4. Worst case 7-5, best case is 9-3. Offense will be really good but we are thin at RB. Have to get better at short yardage situations as well.
Defensively we'll be better but I don't think we could be any worse last year. 3rd down defensive was one of the worst in the country and we have to get some pressure on the QB without blitzing LB's.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:06 pm to Leto II
Does anyone else have a feeling Auburn is due for a patented Plainsmen "horseshoe up the arse while walking through a field of 4-leaf clover" seasons. Anything from 2-10 to 10-2 with the most ungodly stuff happening is on the table, I think.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:12 pm to theliontamer
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Your screeching response sounds like a woman complaining about equality.
That's always what jackassnola sounds like when he talks about LSU.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:12 pm to bigDgator
10-2 is the ceiling
6-6 is the floor
6-6 is the floor
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