re: Fumble return by Ole Miss in Bama game - Gary Danielson

Gary didn't say anything wrong. Any impartial fan would have had the same thoughts. The TD shouldn't have counted and Alabama should have had the ball because of the hit to the head.

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If a player is pursuing a ball carrier is he out of the play? If the ball carrier fumbles and a player is 20 yards away.. could he recover? 30 yards away? 40 (~3.5 seconds to arrive if he is already running)? Not easy to put a definition on "obviously out of the play".

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He was 30 yards away, but there were at least 4 Ole Miss players closer to the ball carrier. He was out of the play and he wasn't even sprinting down the field.

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He was 30 yards away, but there were at least 4 Ole Miss players closer to the ball carrier. He was out of the play and he wasn't even sprinting down the field

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I agree. Refs fricked up with enforcing the penalty. I don't like the rule, though.

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My point is that the personal foul was for contact against a player who was "obviously out of the play". I think it's a dumb rule because 10 different refs can draw the line in 10 different ways

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That's why you don't commit the foul. If there's any question, the foul shall be enforced.

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For real though, definitely one blown call and i agree with Gary that it should have been flagged for targeting so at least it would have been reviewed.

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Doesn't have to be called on the field to be reviewed. Or flagged. Can be called and flagged from the booth. New rule this year.

Reviewable Fouls
ARTICLE 8.
The following plays are reviewable and the replay official may create a foul
when there is no call by the on-field officials:
a. Player making a forward pass or forward handoff when beyond the
neutral zone or after a change of possession (Rule 12-3-2-c and –d).
b. Player beyond the neutral zone when kicking the ball (Rule 12-3-4-b).
c. Blocking by Team B players before they are eligible to touch the ball on
an onside kick (Rule 12-3-4-e).
d. The number of players on the field for either team during a live ball
(Rule 12-3-6-a).
e. Illegal touching of a forward pass by an originally eligible receiver who
has gone out of bounds. (Rules 12-3-2-b and 12-3-3-h).
f. Player who is out of bounds touching a free kick that had not been
touched inbounds (Rule 12-3-4-a).
g. Forward pass that becomes illegal as a second pass after an on-field
ruling of a backward pass is reversed (Rule 12-3-2-e).
h. A clear, obvious and egregious targeting foul (Rule 12-3-5-b).

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That's why you don't commit the foul. If there's any question, the foul shall be enforced

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Some of just want to see the rules enforced in a consistent and fair manner

Bama fans were up in arms defending that hit.. but condemning the hit on Hurts. Fandom is a crazy thing.

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Fandom is a crazy thing.

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Especially when it doesn't even involve your team.

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It was pure homerism on display

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at all the children in this thread too young to remember Danielson's continued yapping about Terrence Cody taking his helmet off after the FG block against UT...and that time he was actually wrong.

If you think that's a hold it's no wonder you guys are always crying about the refs. You see what you want to see, I guess.

It's amazing to me how people can claim Gary and Verne were biased against Ole Miss when they spent an entire segment talking about the "wonderful" upset of Alabama a couple of years ago. Verne even called it one of his best memories and was excited to receive part of the goalpost.

If they would have had a segment like that about Alabama, this board would say it was further proof of bias. Oh well, it's good to be the king.

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"Unnecessary roughness" was a rule then (contact against an opponent who is obviously out of the play).

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He wasn't out of the play.