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Frank Thomas was better for Alabama football than Bear Bryant

Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:00 pm
Posted by JoshuaChamberlain
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:00 pm











On a sirius note...I'm reading a book about him and he was pretty damn fascinating. Did not know he coached Bryant when CBB played there..his record was equally as impressive as BB's imo considering his tenure and the era he coached in...was a pain in Army's arse during the WWII years when Army "ruled" football...and was a HUGE influence in many old school bammers lives. He was to the bear what the bear is to so many since 83...also did not know he was the asst. coach at UGA and one hell of a coach at Chattanooga as well.....and his cigar collections on the sidelines during games could never be rivaled. Fascinating feller....and Ida love to see him coach against his biggest fan..CPBB.

In before picture of Frank Thomas is AU or White Sox uni..

In before 'this is an off season topic'

In before tldr








In before, "You read books?"

Posted by LarrySellers
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:04 pm to
Without Frank Thomas, there would have been no Bear
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:08 pm to
I try to give Thomas as much credit as possible. It's a shame he got sick so young and had to retire.
Posted by crimsonsaint
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:11 pm to
Which book?
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:12 pm to
Bear is one in a long line.

quote:

One afternoon toward the end of his coaching career, Paul “Bear” Bryant climbed down from his tower overlooking the Alabama practice field, warmly greeted an elderly gentleman, and called his entire team to attention.

“This man standing here is responsible for the great tradition of Alabama football,” Bryant told his players, who hung on every word as he draped his arm around Wallace Wade.



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It was a bit like Neil Armstrong introducing Christopher Columbus to the crew at Mission Control.

The origins of the University of Alabama football program can be traced to 1892, when student William G. Little, fresh from prep school in Massachusetts, led the formation of the first intercollegiate football team on the Tuscaloosa campus, unable to imagine the mighty inferno eventually produced, in a distant, unrecognizable future, by his hopeful spark.

Wallace Wade turned the spark into a flame.

Recruited away from Dan McGugin’s staff at powerful Vanderbilt by University of Alabama President Dr. George Denny—who believed a winning football team could help him raise the institution’s national profile—Wade was a stern disciplinarian and a perfectionist. His arrival in 1923 instantly infused the Crimson Tide with a new level of ambition.

“He was tough on his players and expected them to measure up,” recalled Hoyt “Wu” Winslett, a star end on his teams of the mid-1920s. “And that’s why he was so good.”

After leading Alabama to its first Southern Conference championship in 1924, Wade produced a team for the ages in 1925. Featuring halfback Johnny Mack Brown and quarterback A.T.S. “Pooley” Hubert, the Crimson Tide thundered through the conference, recording eight shutouts en route to a perfect 9-0 mark and becoming the first Southern team invited to the Rose Bowl. Hardly anyone gave the Tide a prayer, but Alabama’s shocking 20-19 upset of Washington, which secured the school’s first national championship, struck a blow for supposedly inferior Southern football—and the region’s battered pride.

The 22 Alabama players who traveled by train to Pasadena felt a tremendous responsibility to defend the honor of the South, still stinging from the distant Civil War, still burdened with feelings of disconnection and inferiority, unaccustomed to claiming national superiority in any significant endeavor. The full measure of the Crimson Tide’s accomplishment began to sink in as their victory train rolled across Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, where delirious crowds gathered at stations large and small to clap and cheer.

“We were the South’s baby,” Winslett said.

When they finally reached Alabama, the celebration lasted for days


quote:

The arrival of Frank Thomas, who played for Knute Rockne, forever intertwined the Alabama dynasty with Notre Dame’s. Building on Wade’s foundation, Thomas directed the Crimson Tide to a 115-24-7 mark (.812) from 1931-46, leading the Crimson Tide’s transition to the Southeastern Conference and capturing four titles in the new league.

quote:


The 1934 Crimson Tide, led by the passing of Dixie Howell and the acrobatic catching of Don Hutson, culminated a perfect season with another Rose Bowl victory, giving ‘Bama its fourth national championship over a 10-year period.

“Coach Thomas was some kind of competitor,” recalled Young Boozer, a halfback for the Alabama teams of the mid-1930s. “If you played for him, you had better be willing to fight, scratch and bleed on that field.”

A young team that Thomas admiringly referred to as his “war babies” matured in 1945, producing one of the greatest seasons in school history. Led by Harry Gilmer, master of the jump pass, the Crimson Tide completed an undefeated run by routing Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl but finished second in the rankings behind powerful Army.


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This post was edited on 10/20/11 at 8:16 pm
Posted by LarrySellers
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:12 pm to
They talk about Frank Thomas a lot in "The Last Coach" particularly his interaction and influence on Coach Bryant

great book
Posted by jatebe
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:19 pm to
Coach Thomas played for Knute Rockne at Notre Dame.


Coach Thomas in the middle, Coach Bryant on the far right.
Posted by dedfella
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:20 pm to
quote:

Without Frank Thomas, there would have been no Bear


At Bama anyway

Bryant probably wouldn't have developed into the coach he became without Thomas guidance
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:23 pm to
I don't think he was better for UA. If anyone deserved that honor, it would be Wallace Wade, or perhaps even Xen Scott.

However, he was a fascinating coach from the Notre Dame lineage. Who knows what his legacy might have been if he didn't have to give up coaching at the age of 47....

We did give the guy a statue, by the way....
Posted by LarrySellers
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:24 pm to
Ears Whitworth
Posted by Doc Fenton
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:24 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/20/11 at 8:27 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:29 pm to
quote:

Ears Whitworth




I suppose one could say that the stunning 4-24-2 record he posted, and the ensuing desperate plea for Bryant to come back to UA and right the ship was a critical moment in the program's history.
Posted by LarrySellers
Member since Sep 2011
1793 posts
Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

I suppose one could say that the stunning 4-24-2 record he posted, and the ensuing desperate plea for Bryant to come back to UA and right the ship was a critical moment in the program's history.





its a matter of perspective!!!
Posted by dedfella
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

Ears Whitworth


lulz

Poor guy
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:45 pm to
quote:

They talk about Frank Thomas a lot in "The Last Coach" particularly his interaction and influence on Coach Bryant

great book


Yep. I've read that one. I figure the op is talking about a book about Thomas.

quote:

The 22 Alabama players who traveled by train to Pasadena felt a tremendous responsibility to defend the honor of the South, still stinging from the distant Civil War, still burdened with feelings of disconnection and inferiority, unaccustomed to claiming national superiority in any significant endeavor. The full measure of the Crimson Tide’s accomplishment began to sink in as their victory train rolled across Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, where delirious crowds gathered at stations large and small to clap and cheer.


I had the pleasure of riding in a convey thru LA coming off deployment, but I bet that paled in comparison to traveling by train through the South after that game.
Posted by jatebe
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 8:45 pm to
quote:

If anyone deserved that honor, it would be Wallace Wade,


quote:

Thomas came as close to the Wade standard as anyone could have hoped in his 15 years as Crimson Tide head coach. He posted an overall record of 115-24-7 with two national championships, four Southeastern Conference titles, two Rose Bowl wins in three appearances, and additional appearances in the Cotton, Orange and Sugar Bowls.

Alabama was 10-0 in 1934 and 1945 with Rose Bowl wins over Stanford 29-13 and Southern Cal 34-14, respectively, to cap the seasons


quote:

Thomas added to his legacy as the Alabama head coach in ways other than simple football wins, however. He also started the first free coaching clinic in the South in his second year (1932) at Alabama, helping to improve coaching techniques and improve the overall game of football in the state. He likely got the idea from Rockne, who had set up summer coaching clinics around the country in the early 1920's.


And this sounds kind of like Bama's current head coach, Saban....

quote:

“Coach Thomas was a very detailed coach,” said former Tide player Clem Gryska (1944-48) of his former coach. “With him, everything was precision.” Atlanta sports writer Ralph McGill once called Thomas “the little Napoleon of football.”
Posted by BradPitt
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:08 pm to
tfl;dfr



Posted by RollTideTA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:19 pm to
Arguably of the former coaches with statues, Stallings would rank 4th as far as a direct long lasting impact on the program.

That really says something about the coaches with statues at UA. So much more than just championships are represented.

Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 10/20/11 at 9:35 pm to
Best te/first baseman to ever play the game.
Posted by Weagle25
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/21/11 at 2:59 am to
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BradPitt

That's who I thought this was going to be about too. It was going to be one hell of a strech.
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