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re: Frank Martin is going to change OOC contracts to avoid situations like this year

Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:23 am to
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:23 am to
So what happens in an OOC game if SC's best player (take carrera this year for instance, who missed some games due to injury) is out, does that team get bonus money or something?
Posted by JamalSanders
On a boat
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:06 am to
quote:

Why is that reference misused so often? What on earth does this situation have to do with "sour grapes"? The reference is to the fable in which the fox who can't reach the grapes concludes that they are probably sour anyway, so it's just as well he can't reach them. The moral is that people sometimes pretend not to want something they can't have so they don't feel bad about not having it. How is that in any way relevant to Martin's point in this situation? "Sour grapes" would be applicable if he said something to the effect that being in the NCAA tournament is no big deal, so it's OK that they're not.


Because sour grapes and gross and no one wants sour grapes.

TBH, I had no clue where the phrase came from and use it solely contextually.
Posted by MeatPants
Member since Nov 2015
8853 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:01 am to
Well, if the players didn't leave they probably would have lost those games and they'd still be at home anyways.

People are acting like Carolina was good this year. When you really break it down they just weren't. They didn't beat anybody. Vandy and Tulsa shouldn't be in the tourney either and those are Carolina's wins? This was just a stupid arse committee.

Posted by uscwillie7
Conway, SC
Member since Jan 2013
96 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:38 am to
so we are all admitting the experts are right about the SEC because the team who finished third, according to SEC tournament standings, sucks and does not belong in the dance.

You can look at OOC all you want, and it was weak, however the Gamecocks finished tied for third in the conference and won tie breakers due to head to head competition.

the conference needs to improve its image, in a big kind of way
Posted by Cockeee Don
Myrtle Beach, SC
Member since Jul 2014
690 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:41 am to
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Vandy and Tulsa shouldn't be in the tourney either and those are Carolina's wins?


at Texas A&M was a pretty good win I'd say. That was their only home loss of the season.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
37618 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:51 pm to
Frank just needs to worry more, and concentrate more, on his decision to have Thornwell handling the ball against Fraizer for the final 16 seconds of the game rather than running the offense that had been successful all game.

Frank needs to worry more about why he refused to play Carrera in that final game when, in fact, the doctors had cleared Carrera to play, and he wanted to play.

And instead of changing the contracts ... just change the fricking schedule. I realize there was no way Frank could have known how this year's schedule could have played-out ... it was an unlucky break considering many of these teams are normally very very solid teams, but hell, just roll with it and admit ... it wasn't so much about the schedule as it was about the bad losses. At Mizzou, three against UGA and at MSU. Win just two of those five and we would not be having this conversation in this thread.

Posted by MeatPants
Member since Nov 2015
8853 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:19 pm to
Conference records doesn't matter as much in thes mega conferences because the schedules are so unbalanced. That just isn't a good criteria to rate a team anymore
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25863 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:32 pm to
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Unless he has some magic trick to avoid Georgia yall are screwed anyway.




Maybe we could play A&M 18 times?
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50386 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

Maybe we could play A&M 18 times?



You wanna go 1-17?
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25863 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:36 pm to
Or maybe 81-78
Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Why is that reference misused so often? What on earth does this situation have to do with "sour grapes"? The reference is to the fable in which the fox who can't reach the grapes concludes that they are probably sour anyway, so it's just as well he can't reach them. The moral is that people sometimes pretend not to want something they can't have so they don't feel bad about not having it. How is that in any way relevant to Martin's point in this situation? "Sour grapes" would be applicable if he said something to the effect that being in the NCAA tournament is no big deal, so it's OK that they're not.

If the reference applies to any SEC basketball coach/team right now, it's Jones/LSU, who "declined" to play in an NIT that they may well not have been invited to anyway.




Bringing knowledge to the rant!
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:41 pm to
Maybe schedule better teams than lower tiered mid majors
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:44 pm to
Martin should just sack up as Barnes said.

Play UNC, UVA, Indiana, GT, etc. Plenty of teams close by that are good pretty much every year and would bring much more excitement to your program when they come in Colonial Life.

Relying on Drexel and USF to be good as solid OOC games is playing with fire.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:46 pm to
NCAA committee just hates the SEC. On the reg we get left out despite showing up and doing well at the tournament.


quote:

I feel for him, but that's part of scheduling fringe tourney teams as your meal ticket



Frank Martin scheduled only one true road game in his OOC and only teams that are fringe tournament teams. This is on him
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:53 pm to
I don't think so. I think the problem is bad OOC scheduling. Obviously there are some exceptions but outside of UK obviously and UF under Donovan and Tennessee under Pearl, SEC teams have not played marquis OOC schedules consistently. It's not a coincidence that those teams were comfortably in the field every single year even when they lost 4 or 5 non conference games.

When you are playing a handful of name teams every year it can only help you. Losing to them doesn't affect anything and beating 1 or 2 of them pushes you ahead of the entire bubble.

Tennessee plays UNC, Gonzaga, IU, UVA, GT and possibly Zona next year plus a loaded Maui field.

Losing those games doesn't hurt you but if you win even 1 or 2 that is probably a better OOC win than anyone else on the bubble is going to have.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

Relying on Drexel and USF to be good as solid OOC games is playing with fire.


Selective ignorance ... which means you selected games to illustrate your ignorance.

Martin scheduled Memphis State, thought we would be playing a highly ranked FSU in the Paradise Jam, Depaul, Hofstra, Tulsa, St Johns ... all solid traditions. Clemson was supposed to be decent.

Not Martin's fault.

Some of his coaching decisions were but, then again, he still overachieved with this team.

We need to win another NIT and build off of it for next year and just get-over being snubbed by the NCAA because of the conference we endeavor to play in and the bad losses we inflicted upon ourselves.

Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 2:01 pm to
Memphis obviously lost Nichols in the summer but that is not exactly a marquis game with Pastner's track record there.

DePaul and St Johns were expected to be all time bad this season.

FSU and Leonard Hamilton is the same problem as Memphis.

As I said, why not play upper tier teams in the ACC as close as they are to Columbia?

Why not use Martin's Big XII connections to get Kansas or Oklahoma or Baylor in to CLA?
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 2:02 pm
Posted by rockytop627
Member since Jan 2014
10041 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 3:41 pm to
It's unfortunate, but still, SC could've scheduled a lot better. Even though a lot of those teams were down, none of those were really top 20 type teams. Seems like the message the committee is sending is that losses to good teams are better than wins over bad teams (not sure about that logic, but apparently it's what they use) and to go ahead and schedule teams like Duke and UNC and if ya lose, so what? Apparently it helps your resume just to play them. I don't entirely agree with their logic, and I thought SC should've been in over Vandy, Tulsa or Syracuse. This definitely wasn't one of the committee's better jobs.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58063 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 3:43 pm to
wow

dude sounds like a complete cry baby turd trying to excuse falling out of the tourney this way.

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32860 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 3:47 pm to
quote:

unfortunate, but still, SC could've scheduled a lot better. Even though a lot of those teams were down, none of those were really top 20 type teams. Seems like the message the committee is sending is that losses to good teams are better than wins over bad teams (not sure about that logic, but apparently it's what they use) and to go ahead and schedule teams like Duke and UNC and if ya lose, so what? Apparently it helps your resume just to play them. I don't entirely agree with their logic, and I thought SC should've been in over Vandy, Tulsa or Syracuse. This definitely wasn't one of the committee's better jobs.



Uga contradicts this. The message is that you need to beat good teams. Not playing them or losing to all of them will leave you out
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