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re: Former Alabama player Quinton Dial showing off his patriotic side tonight
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:46 pm to 14caratgoldjones
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:46 pm to 14caratgoldjones
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Oh, so your saying its a status or cash thing. I thought his protest was about the oppression of people of color in this country due to lack of opportunity and the law of the land is stacked against them.
We can make it right by equally dividing up everyone's money in that case. Well problem solved. Thanks Kap, your the man.
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:46 pm to bamaqna
Yep, better now out now. The facts are starting to roll in.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:48 pm to BhamDore
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The facts are that 40 to 45 officers were killed in 2015. Around 1200 citizens were killed by cops in 2015. Over 100 of those killings were in armed black men.
The majority of cops who have been shot and killed are by white men.
This narrative that cops should be afraid of black men is not supported by facts.
now do the number of violent crimes by race
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:48 pm to 14caratgoldjones
Sure bud sure
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:00 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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what he should really be concerned about:
- 52% of gun related homicides are committed by 6% of the population
- 12.25 African American males are murdered daily by another African American male
Yes, we have issues with policing in America
Yeah. And most of those murders are related to the war on drugs. Until we address that problem, we will continue to have these problems.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:01 pm to CCTider
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And most of those murders are related to the war on drugs
Which is of course related to poverty
It's the cycle of hopelessness. It sucks.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Dial literally grew up down the road, less than a mile away. Much props to him for the respect he gave and leadership he showed. Proud he's from Clay.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:06 pm to lsufball19
What does that have to do with officers being afraid of black men? White men kill way more cops than any other group.
It seems that changing the narrative is the only defense of people when they are uncomfortable with the truth.
People tried to change the message of Kapernick's protest to some type of Anti-American, he hates veterans crap. Then they they try to bring up black on black crime stats like people of all races don't commit crimes against people of their own race. The change the narrative defense is a weak one.
Stats and numbers can be used to paint any picture.
Why are whites more likely sell and abuse drugs, but blacks are twice as likely to be arrested for it? They are given harsher sentences as well for committing the same crimes.
It goes way deeper than just police. It's the entire justice system. It's been used as a system for population control for far too long. People who stand up against it are not Anti-American. They're way more American than those who are comfortable with the status quo.
It seems that changing the narrative is the only defense of people when they are uncomfortable with the truth.
People tried to change the message of Kapernick's protest to some type of Anti-American, he hates veterans crap. Then they they try to bring up black on black crime stats like people of all races don't commit crimes against people of their own race. The change the narrative defense is a weak one.
Stats and numbers can be used to paint any picture.
Why are whites more likely sell and abuse drugs, but blacks are twice as likely to be arrested for it? They are given harsher sentences as well for committing the same crimes.
It goes way deeper than just police. It's the entire justice system. It's been used as a system for population control for far too long. People who stand up against it are not Anti-American. They're way more American than those who are comfortable with the status quo.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:08 pm to bamaqna
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However, you do know that most crimes by people are committed in their respective communities right, well if you live in a high crime area where theres a high conglomerate of one race, would you truly be surprised if there was a high amount crimes committed by that race against the same race. Theres just as much white on white crime as there is black on black crime in this country so I don't understand whats the point of you bringing that up, but you not the first to do it and you will not be the last.
So its okay to have +6,000 muders annually because it's within "a community". But if a law enforcement officer kills someone (most warranted but some not) it is worthy of all the media attention and racist rhetoric...gotcha.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:13 pm to BhamDore
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It's the entire justice system. It's been used as a system for population control for far too long. People who stand up against it are not Anti-American. They're way more American than those who are comfortable with the status quo.
So the problem is "the entire justice system"? That's what all this is about?
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:18 pm to BhamDore
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BhamDore
If 6% of the population is committing over 50% of murders you honestly don't think that LE isn't going to be more "edgy" in a given situation? Throw in the percentages of violent crimes committed by race and it just compounds the issue. I already have said I believe our policing policies are suspect especially in regards to follow-on training. What I am saying is there needs to be a broader approach and if you decrease these statistics you would likely decrease the tragic situations that occur regarding LE involved homocides regarding this subsection of the population.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:27 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Good for him. Glad he stood up like a man instead of some kind of PC left coast pole smoker.
If we don't stop the attacks on cops - no one will want to be a cop. Then WTF will we do? Where I live, looting and burning is very likely to be met by heavily armed resistance. Without cops to keep the order, it will get ugly.
If we don't stop the attacks on cops - no one will want to be a cop. Then WTF will we do? Where I live, looting and burning is very likely to be met by heavily armed resistance. Without cops to keep the order, it will get ugly.
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:27 pm to BhamDore
A lot of the comments by posters in this thread is exactly why these black athletes are protesting. You guys don't give a shite what these athletes think as long as they play football and shut the hell up. You have zero respect for a another mans opinion but your own. Instead of trying to understand why, you just rationalize that they are whiny babies, so you don't have to look at yourself in the mirror as part of the bigger problem. I've seen the most vile disgusting things said about these guys which is despicable.
We're supposed to be a free country of ideas and dialogue but most of you disrespect the fact that Kapernic (sp?) has his own opinion. I don't agree with his methods but I agree he has the right to do as he chooses. All y'all complaining about protesters are just as bad as the protesters themselves. You're doing the same thing but hiding behind a keyboard.
We're supposed to be a free country of ideas and dialogue but most of you disrespect the fact that Kapernic (sp?) has his own opinion. I don't agree with his methods but I agree he has the right to do as he chooses. All y'all complaining about protesters are just as bad as the protesters themselves. You're doing the same thing but hiding behind a keyboard.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:35 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Actually - you're right. We don't give a damn about the opinion of a spoiled athlete who dates a BLM activist. In fact, it's worse that just that - I think he should lose all his sponsorships from companies outside the NFL. White people make up the vast majority of target demographics for most for profit companies. I would personally not do business with a company that supports this nonsense. They've got a 5 second bully pulpit to voice their anti American agenda. Well I have a wallet and I vote wtih my dollars. Any company that dumps Kaperdick, gets extra money from me.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:40 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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If 6% of the population is committing over 50% of murders you honestly don't think that LE isn't going to be more "edgy" in a given situation?
You are distorting the facts.
Fact - white people kill white people. The 6% you reference ARE NOT killing white people. They are black and they are killing other blacks. Hispanics are killing Hispanics and Asians are killing Asians. Please get it right because you are making it as if black men are killing everyone because that is false.
Also do your research and you will find out that more white people commit more violent crimes than anyone else.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:43 pm to Katy Tiger
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They've got a 5 second bully pulpit to voice their anti American agenda. Well I have a wallet and I vote wtih my dollars. Any company that dumps Kaperdick, gets extra money from me.
Spoken like someone who is broke as hell who couldn't make a dent in a companies profits.
What anti American agenda are you speaking? By taking a knee during a song? Stop getting your panties in a bunch. I bet you were really pissed at folks dumping tea in Boston Harbor. How dare those protesters.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:44 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Do you know why white people committ more of the crimes? It's because there are 3x more of us than there are of the biggest minority. When you look at the over all murder rate committed by black men - $6.5% of the population commits nearly half of all murders.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:55 pm to Katy Tiger
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black men - $6.5% of the population commits nearly half of all murders.
but they are only killing other black men and only in highly concentrated drug areas. You are trying to distort the facts. If you are white you have a much higher risk of being killed by another white.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 12:02 am to Katy Tiger
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black men - $6.5% of the population commits nearly half of all murders.
and to be clear... ~5,000 to 6,000 black men are killed each year, predominantly by other black men. ~500 to 600 black people (mostly men) are killed each year by the police, 50 to 100 of them unarmed. We don't need to go into each and every detail, I don't know, maybe most of them deserve to be shot BUT 5,000, 500, or even 50 is too many for any race in this country.
What we don't hear is that more white people are killed by the police than black. Once again, I don't know the details and maybe they deserve to be shot BUT 1,000 people a year being killed by the police is a problem, EVEN if the police are right in all cases. What can we do to help prevent these incidents? I know there's a lot of people out there doing dirt but how do we educate and bring up the next generation, so that we reduce the numbers of idiots out there with no hope committing stupid crimes?
Posted on 9/13/16 at 12:08 am to Katy Tiger
I'm not against anyone standing up for a cause, but there is a correct time and place. I think Kapernick chose the wrong forum. And I believe in the long run it will cost him. I don't come to tRant to talk politics and I don't care about any athletes political agenda. There is a reason most of those guys are athletes and not politicians. Although there are a few smart athletes, how many of them would you actually take seriously if they were to become a financial advisor or even a politician. I watch sports for one reason and it's not political advice. If this ridiculous shite keeps going on I will be watching much less.
Time and place.
Time and place.
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