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re: Explanation of call (Arkansas game)
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:42 pm to Jon Ham
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:42 pm to Jon Ham
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That argument relies on the assumption that the team receiving the punt either won't touch the ball or won't muff it. You can't just assume that.
If the returner muffs the ball out of bounds, or the ball just goes out of bounds, who gets the ball?
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Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:44 pm to theenemy
I've watched a lot of football and seen holding by the receiving team while the ball was still in the air numerous times and never once did they give the ball back to the kicking team. 
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:45 pm to Eternalmajin
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If the returner muffs the ball out of bounds, or the ball just goes out of bounds, who gets the ball?
Again....you are trying to make a decision without knowing the rule on inadvertent whistles when the ball has been muffed and is live.
That changes everything.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:47 pm to Aman
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I've watched a lot of football and seen holding by the receiving team while the ball was still in the air numerous times and never once did they give the ball back to the kicking team
How many of those had a muffed catch and an inadvertent whistle.
Yall aren't looking at everything.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:48 pm to theenemy
Iow, you don't know anything and created a thread to demonstrate it.
Sweet sail.
Sweet sail.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:48 pm to Eternalmajin
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If the returner muffs the ball out of bounds, or the ball just goes out of bounds, who gets the ball?
Per the rules, the receiving team gets the ball in those scenarios. That's different than arguing "as soon as the ball leaves the punter's foot the other team has possession." Show me the rule that says the receiving team is the last team to possess the ball when the punt is muffed and the ball is live when an inadvertent whistle happens.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:48 pm to theenemy
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:49 pm to theenemy
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For any wondering,
Va Tech never possessed the ball, so Penalty occurred before they possessed it.
If the penalty occurred while the kick was in the air, that would be before they possessed it, too, but in every case when the receiving team is called for holding during the kick, they get the ball after a penalty from the end of the kick. The fact that they fumbled changes nothing, and the fact that they recovered (albeit after the inadvertent whistle) is even more reason not to enforce the penalty from the previous spot. I'm happy Arkie got the break, but it seemed like a bad call to me.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:50 pm to theenemy
People in this thread confusing what the Op is saying happened vs what should be ruled 
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:51 pm to theenemy
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How many of those had a muffed catch and an inadvertent whistle.
Why should that matter? Neither team had possession at the time of the whistle. There is no logical reason they should go back and enforce the penalty from the original line of scrimmage and give the ball to Arkansas. Technically VT had possession since it became their ball at the time of the kick.
This post was edited on 12/29/16 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:52 pm to theenemy
It's legally Virginia Tech's ball the second Arkansas kicks it away.
That was not the correct call. Stop pretending like it was.
That was not the correct call. Stop pretending like it was.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:53 pm to theenemy
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For any wondering,
Va Tech never possessed the ball, so Penalty occurred before they possessed it.
Penalty gave Arkansas a 1st down.
Commentators are morons.
Plus the inadvertent whistle, before which no team had possession (both teams had handled the ball due to a muffed punt).
I fully admit that if my team was on the other end of that call, I'd have been livid AF.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:53 pm to lsupride87
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lsupride87
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Holding when a punt is in the air does not give the kicking team a first down
Some people are so ignorant that no amount of reasoning will convince them they are wrong.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:54 pm to IAmReality
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That was not the correct call. Stop pretending like it was.
Again....post of a link to the rule.
Supporting this then
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:54 pm to theenemy
Ball don't lie.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:55 pm to theenemy
Commentators just confirmed the call was right. Boom.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:55 pm to Aman
No way that ball goes to Arkansas. It was a fumble and recovered by one team. VT. Immediately after the whistle. It was a bad call
Posted on 12/29/16 at 6:56 pm to matsuflex
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No way that ball goes to Arkansas. It was a fumble and recovered by one team. VT. Immediately after the whistle. It was a bad call
We have another. Ignorance is bliss for many in this thread.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 7:02 pm to DAbully
Announcers just explained it was per rule. No possession before whistle, therefore penalty was enforced from original line of play.
Posted on 12/29/16 at 7:04 pm to smoke on the water
I think this is the rule maybe:
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RULE 4
Ball in Play, Dead Ball, Out
of Bounds
SECTION 1. Ball in Play—Dead Ball
Dead Ball Becomes Alive
ARTICLE 1. After a dead ball is ready for play, it becomes a live ball when
it is legally snapped or legally free-kicked. A ball snapped or free-kicked
before it is ready for play remains dead (A.R. 2-16-4-I, A.R. 4-1-4-I and II,
A.R. 7-1-3-IV, and A.R. 7-1-5-I and II).
Live Ball Becomes Dead
ARTICLE 2. a. A live ball becomes a dead ball as provided in the rules
or when an official sounds his whistle (even though inadvertently) or
otherwise signals the ball dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II and A.R. 4-2-4-I).
b. If an official sounds his whistle inadvertently or otherwise signals the
ball dead during a down (Rules 4-1-3-k, m and n):
1. When the ball is in player possession, then the team in possession
may elect to put the ball in play where declared dead or repeat
the down.
2. When the ball is loose from a fumble, backward pass or illegal
pass, then the team in possession may elect to put the ball in play
where possession was lost or repeat the down (Exception: Rule
12).
3. During a legal forward pass or a free or scrimmage kick, then
the ball is returned to the previous spot and the down repeated
(Exception: Rule 12).
4. After Team B gains possession on the try or during an extra
period, then the try is over or the extra-period possession series
is ended.
c. If a foul or violation occurs during any of the above downs, the
penalty or violation privilege shall be administered as in any other play
situation if not in conflict with other rules (A.R. 4-1-2-I and II).
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