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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:48 am to StopRobot
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:48 am to StopRobot
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Evangelicals are the ones running around quoting the Bible and lecturing on morality.
This frankly is not very true. Just because Hugh Freeze would constantly tweet bible verses and speak in churches does not mean he was "lecturing on morality." Go comb through Freeze's tweets and find a case in which he was lecturing anyone on how to behave or how to live.
This is what is so frustrating about the anti-Christian crowd. I can wake up in the morning and tweet out, "I love Jesus and am so thankful for his goodness" and the world then says, "Quit lecturing me on morality." No one said anything about behavior, and no one told anyone else how they are to behave or function. Yet non-believers hear and see what they choose to.
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No one went after Mike Price for not holding to the "standard of world religion" because Mike Price was not posting Bible quotes and lecturing on character and responsibility.
Again, thank you for proving my point. Anyone not associated with Christianity is free to mess up without judgement. But if a Christian makes a mistake, its open season for finger pointing an lectures from the intolerant world.
Everyone ascribes to their own religion. Even those who say they are not associated with any religion still ascribe to certain forms of morality. We as humans all have certain beliefs as to right from wrong. For example, most anyone in western society believes that you shouldn't abuse children or murder someone, etc.
So when a Christian goes against his moral beliefs and messes up (AS ALL HUMANS DO), the world has such a problem with it. But if hypothetical random nonreligious guy beats his children, no one ever points the fingers at all those other nonreligious people and scream, "See this is why all you people who don't belong to an official religion are child-beaters."
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Same with Anthony Wiener. If Anthony Wiener was lecturing on those things while cheating on his wife you would have a point.
So Anthony Weiner can allow People Magazine and the New York Times (in 2013) to do rehabilitation pieces on "how he's changed" and how he's "trying so hard" and how he's "learned from his mistakes," etc., etc. and then he messes up AGAIN and you don't think its a big deal. How is using the outlet of news magazines to announce you've learned from your mistakes and how you are now living the right way any different from Freeze tweeting out his own beliefs?
I feel deeply sorry for Anthony Weiner. I think he obviously has a ton of personal struggles and obviously feels a ton of shame and embarrassment because of his mistakes. But I also feel the exact same way about Hugh Freeze.
That's the entire point, we all make mistakes. It's just deeply annoying and somewhat bigoted that unbelievers can read about Anthony Weiner and think simply, "That's unfortunate." But if Hugh Freeze does the same thing, its somehow a commentary on an entire religion and they then take the opportunity to broad-brush everyone else who is a Christian.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:53 am to AshLSU
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Not bitter, just sick of seeing that same crap EVERY. frickING.TIME.SOMEONE.ASKS.A LOGICAL. QUESTION. ABOUT. CHRISTIANITY.
You come across as bitter that we don't believe what you believe.
This thread was started by a non believer in regards to the defense of a POS person who "expresses in public" that he is a believer by other believers.
We wonder why it is that a "Christian" can be a POS and other "Christians" will defend him where as a non christian can be a POS and "Christians" will not defend him.
Basically, Hugh is a POS, but because he is a Christian, other Christians have come to defend him.
The same would not be happening if he were not Christian.
IDK man... this entire post comes across as bitter and angry, too.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:56 am to Hugh McElroy
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Nor are you humble, though you claim to be.
Nor are you self-aware, though you claim to be.
Nor do you understand historical Christianity, though you claim to understand it.
So you know everything about me and can point fingers about how I'm wrong. I've not pointed my finger at you and told you your faults. I've not insulted you or told you how wrong you are.
Yet you do that very thing to me and yet in your mind you think I'm the one who's judgmental.
Amazing the irony.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:58 am to BHMKyle
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So when a Christian goes against his moral beliefs and messes up (AS ALL HUMANS DO), the world has such a problem with it. But if hypothetical random nonreligious guy beats his children, no one ever points the fingers at all those other nonreligious people and scream, "See this is why all you people who don't belong to an official religion are child-beaters."
Actually, that happens pretty often. I have never been religious and I made it known growing up I was not religious. I went to a "Christian values" private academy. I was called a "satanist" by a lot of people when I was in jr high and high school even though I never once said anything about worshiping satan (in fact, I never believed in him either and made that abundantly clear). But it didn't matter. I didn't believe in the Bible so to them, I must be a satanist.
We all get lumped in by believers constantly. I've been called a militant atheist on here at least 5 times this week. And yet, not once have I said that there is no possible way a creator exists. Quite the contrary actually. I'm all for the idea of a creator. It is a fascinating concept. But to me, what is just as fascinating is the idea that there isn't a creator.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:58 am to Tuscaloosa
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We wonder why it is that a "Christian" can be a POS and other "Christians" will defend him where as a non christian can be a POS and "Christians" will not defend him.
Basically, Hugh is a POS, but because he is a Christian, other Christians have come to defend him.
The same would not be happening if he were not Christian.
On a serious note, I think this comes down to the influx of attacks on his personal faith. Hugh Freeze is responsible for his actions, and I haven't seen anyone defending anything he's done. He clearly needs professional help, IMO. However, I think several of us have felt the need to factually point out - as it relates to Christianity - being a screw up doesn't nullify your faith or make you a "fraud" when you do something horrible. Being a Christian doesn't have anything to do with being perfect - in fact, the opposite is true. The reason we need a savior is because we're all screw ups. Hugh Freeze is no different.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:59 am to Tuscaloosa
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IDK man... this entire post comes across as bitter and angry, too.
I'm sure it does to you. And that's your right to believe that. You just can't make laws forcing others to believe it too.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:01 pm to AshLSU
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I was called a "satanist" by a lot of people when I was in jr high and high school even though I never once said anything about worshiping satan (in fact, I never believed in him either and made that abundantly clear). But it didn't matter. I didn't believe in the Bible so to them, I must be a satanist.
Satanists don't believe in any higher power - including Satan.
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I've been called a militant atheist on here at least 5 times this week
It's the way your posts come across. Very angry-ish and somewhat arrogant at times. I can tell that's not your intention, because it clearly bothers you - which is good. But that's probably the way it looks to others.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:01 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I believe this thread is titled "Evangelical logic" and was started by a "non-believer."
Bingo.
Had a Christian started a thread about "Agnostic Logic" or "Atheist Logic" and then derided an entire people group for their so called hypocrisies, etc., these people would likely fly off the handle bars and point out how wrong it is.
Yet they seem to think they can do the very same thing against the people they say they don't like for those exact same reasons, and they see no problem.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:03 pm to Tuscaloosa
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On a serious note, I think this comes down to the influx of attacks on his personal faith. Hugh Freeze is responsible for his actions, and I haven't seen anyone defending anything he's done. He clearly needs professional help, IMO. However, I think several of us have felt the need to factually point out - as it relates to Christianity - being a screw up doesn't nullify your faith or make you a "fraud" when you do something horrible. Being a Christian doesn't have anything to do with being perfect - in fact, the opposite is true. The reason we need a savior is because we're all screw ups. Hugh Freeze is no different.
And I have never once said I dont think Hugh believes what he says. I'm sure he does.
Look, if believing makes someone a better person, I'm all for them believing.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:06 pm to BHMKyle
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Bingo. Had a Christian started a thread about "Agnostic Logic" or "Atheist Logic" and then derided an entire people group for their so called hypocrisies, etc., these people would likely fly off the handle bars and point out how wrong it is. Yet they seem to think they can do the very same thing against the people they say they don't like for those exact same reasons, and they see no problem.
Start one. But be prepared to be bombarded with evidence that supports non believers view.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:09 pm to AshLSU
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I didn't believe in the Bible so to them, I must be a satanist.
That's unfortunate and I hate that you had that experience with so called Christians.
But why not use that negative experience to make the decision not to lash out the exact same way to those you don't agree with?
I'm not going to say you are an "angry atheist" or anything like that because I don't know you. I know nothing about you and therefore can't make an opinion like that. But based off some of these posts, I do think your frustration and possible disdain for evangelical Christians is very apparent. Why do you lash out against evangelical Christians in the same way you don't like them lashing out at you.
The world would be a lot healthier if we weren't so constantly offended all the time. And I'm speaking to both sides.
I have no doubt Christians like myself are at times frustrating because they have strong beliefs and are often very vocal about them. And often our actions don't jive with those beliefs. But the non-believing world also loves to talk about how "judgmental" Christians are but as soon as one makes a mistake, judgmental venom comes spewing out. It would be nice if those same people who hate "finger-pointing Christians" wouldn't constantly point fingers at Christians every time they mess up. It goes both ways.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:16 pm to AshLSU
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Start one. But be prepared to be bombarded with evidence that supports non believers view.
It would probably look more like a whole lot of this:
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Dear Flying Spaghetti Monster. Could you find it in your marinara sauce covered meatball to help poor Hugh Freeze and his family though this trying time that he put them through.
Our pasta, who art in a colander, draining be your noodles. Thy noodle come, Thy sauce be yum, on top some grated Parmesan. Give us this day, our garlic bread, …and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trample on our lawns. And lead us not into vegetarianism, but deliver us some pizza, for thine is the meatball, the noodle, and the sauce, forever and ever. R’amen.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:21 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Title may be an oxymoron but regardless,
quote:this is what you can call an irrefutable, logical beat down by an Evangelical.
For some reason "non-religious" people seem to believe anyone professing Christianity should have their shite together, but that's really the opposite of true to an extent. If Christians had it all figured out, there'd be no need for a messiah at all. Christians are simply broken, disgusting, flawed humans who acknowledge their need for a savior.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:23 pm to BHMKyle
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I can wake up in the morning and tweet out, "I love Jesus and am so thankful for his goodness" and the world then says, "Quit lecturing me on morality."
False premise.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:42 pm to BHMKyle
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There are tons of unattainable behavioral expectations associated with every other world religion (Judaism especially, but certainly Islam, Hinduism, etc.). Yet those religions are always treated with "tolerance" and the world in general never seems to question their behavior.
Yet a Christian messes up and the world simultaneously points their fingers with judgmental vigor.
When Hypothetical Coach X makes a mistake, cheats on his wife with hookers, and causes his family to fall apart, no one bats an eye. It's considered unfortunate for the family, but everyone moves on and its not a big deal. But when a Christian makes the same exact mistake, it becomes an outcry against that person's entire religion.
because evangelicals are the ones always putting bible verses and shite everywhere. always the ones trying to "put jesus" back in schools, make gay people straight with "biblical science," make laws legislating morality, telling people who they can and can't frick and who they can and can't marry, telling women they cannot have an abortion, judging others for not believing, and on and on and on.
there's no other religious group in america who does this. that's why i find it goddamn hilarious every time one of these fricking hypocrites is caught with their pants down and nose in shite.
they really set it up for themselves. if they'd just keep their mouths shut, people might have a bit of sympathy for them.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:53 pm to Hugh McElroy
"we are the only ones humble enough to...."
you're declaring humility by exclaiming you're the only group able to do something. can you see how hubristic that is?
he's probably still wondering what the hell you mean
you're declaring humility by exclaiming you're the only group able to do something. can you see how hubristic that is?
he's probably still wondering what the hell you mean
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:27 pm to Hugh McElroy
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He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
This wouldn't happen to be before Jesus showed up to do away with this, would it?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:37 pm to AshLSU
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I guarantee if you believers kept that shite to yourselves and other believers, you would have far less problems from the non believers
Kept what to ourselves? The Gospel?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:57 pm to Masterag
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because evangelicals are the ones always putting bible verses and shite everywhere.
And why does this offend you? Why can't people have the freedom to read what they want and proclaim what they want? It seems you are the one who has a problem with personal choice.
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always the ones trying to "put jesus" back in schools
So its wrong to want to "put Jesus back in schools" but perfectly acceptable to "take Him out of the schools" ? It's a matter of preference. What makes you right and those who do want kids to have the ability to pray at school wrong? How do you get to decide what is right and wrong?
If you study the early history of America, the Bible was the main textbook used in schools for centuries. It was the anti-Christians in early to mid 1900s who began to fight people's freedom of religion and began demanding the removal to all references of God in schools.
So its fine for you and people like you to have your opinion that God needs to be removed, but somehow its annoying and wrong for the other side to have their own opinion? Isn't this a bit hypocritical?
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make gay people straight with "biblical science," make laws legislating morality, telling people who they can and can't frick and who they can and can't marry,
You are using absolutely extreme examples and trying to make it out like everyone who believes in traditional marriage ascribes to those things. I believe in traditional marriage. This does not mean that I give 2 cents about what others do in their free time and who they choose to sleep around with, etc.
Just because I think society is healthiest when kids have a functioning mother and father (which every study agrees with) does not mean I'm trying to "legislate" what you should or should not do. So don't try to act like that's what is going on.
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judging others for not believing,
Seems you have proven to be very judgmental towards those who do choose to believe... evidenced by this very post. Again, so its fine for you to judge Christians but its not okay for anyone to have an opinion about you? Now who again is the intolerant one?
It's amazing that the very things that most of the anti-Christians say they hate about Christians are the very things they do themselves.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:27 pm to Sev09
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He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
This wouldn't happen to be before Jesus showed up to do away with this, would it?
No. And Jesus did not "do away with that." The quote is straight from Romans.
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