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re: Evangelical logic
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:55 am to ghost2most
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:55 am to ghost2most
I've got a feeling a bunch of aggies n black bears will respond to this topic
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:57 am to piggilicious
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Catholics like myself differ on "Sola Fide"
Ditto. As The Bible says, God is the one who will judge, not me. That doesnt mean I wont point out what a horrible hypocritical self righteous arse Hugh Freeze is, but I dont get to decide his ultimate fate.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:59 am to BHMKyle
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This is absolutely true and its the very basis of Christianity. Again, not sure what your issue is. If you are anti-Christian, just say so. But the above statement is the very basis of the world's largest religion. Are those that disagree so self-righteous that they think they are so great that their own personal actions will earn them a spot in heaven? Depending on Jesus is the only way anyone gets into heaven. He died in my place. He took all of my faults and traded it for his righteousness. Now I'm blameless in the eyes of God... not by my actions but because of His actions.
You realize the largest sect of Christianity does not believe this.....right?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:00 am to BHMKyle
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This is absolutely true and its the very basis of Christianity. Again, not sure what your issue is. If you are anti-Christian, just say so. But the above statement is the very basis of the world's largest religion.
It's not true, and the widespread belief that it IS Christianity is partly responsible for how sick Christianity is in our country. People think Jesus came to sell fire insurance. "Just believe the right stuff, you get to be forgiven and go to heaven when you die. If you don't believe the right stuff, then you're doomed to hell." I actually don't think that's what the Bible teaches, nor is is historical Christianity.
(I'm not a Catholic, by the way.)
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:01 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:00 am to ghost2most
Christians are supposed to love their spouse more than their children.
this evidence proves Hugh is not a Christian.
this evidence proves Hugh is not a Christian.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:09 am to piggilicious
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it can be read as 'hey Jesus died for my sins, so let's partay it up because I've got the key to heaven already'.
I get what you are saying, but I don't understand why Christians (Evangelical Christians in particular) are the only people held to the standard of worldly perfection.
There are tons of unattainable behavioral expectations associated with every other world religion (Judaism especially, but certainly Islam, Hinduism, etc.). Yet those religions are always treated with "tolerance" and the world in general never seems to question their behavior.
Yet a Christian messes up and the world simultaneously points their fingers with judgmental vigor.
When Hypothetical Coach X makes a mistake, cheats on his wife with hookers, and causes his family to fall apart, no one bats an eye. It's considered unfortunate for the family, but everyone moves on and its not a big deal. But when a Christian makes the same exact mistake, it becomes an outcry against that person's entire religion.
Everyone who lives in this world makes mistakes. Christians and non-Christians alike. That doesn't mean its "no big deal" or doesn't matter. Either way, its a mistake. Christians are the only ones humble and self-aware enough to admit we in our worldly state are imperfect and therefore in need of a savior to redeem us. I just don't get why that statement of humility is such a problem for folks.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:13 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:16 am to BHMKyle
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Christians are the only ones humble and self-aware enough to admit we in our worldly state are imperfect and therefore in need of a savior to redeem us. I just don't get why that statement of humility is such a problem for folks.
I recommend that you read that comment, slowly, 3 or 4 times. Listen for irony. Think how others would hear it.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:18 am to Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:18 am to BHMKyle
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I get what you are saying, but I don't understand why Christians (Evangelical Christians in particular) are the only people held to the standard of worldly perfection. There are tons of unattainable behavioral expectations associated with every other world religion (Judaism especially, but certainly Islam, Hinduism, etc.).
A very good question that is not without some merit but I will answer as best I can.
1. The sample is MUCH larger in our culture of Evangelical Christians than just about any other religion. That alone is going to make incidents like this seem like they are unfair.
2. Do you not realize the criticism, justifiably, of Catholicism in the last decade?
3. Evangelicals are the ones running around quoting the Bible and lecturing on morality. No one went after Mike Price for not holding to the "standard of world religion" because Mike Price was not posting Bible quotes and lecturing on character and responsibility. Same with Anthony Wiener. If Anthony Wiener was lecturing on those things while cheating on his wife you would have a point.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:18 am to StopRobot
There's a difference between genuinely trying to follow Jesus and his teachings and making honest, human mistakes along the way vs. using religion as a cover for evil. I don't know Hugh or the intention of his heart in all of this, but it sure seems like he falls in the latter category. Being a fraud at anything should be an embarrassment and that's much different than a genuine person pursuing something and stumbling from time to time along the way. The question is which one is Hugh?
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:19 am to Hugh McElroy
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I recommend that you read that comment, slowly, 3 or 4 times. Listen for irony. Think how others would hear it.
Let me be more clear for the slow people you are referring to: I'M NOT PERFECT. I make mistakes. I make just as many mistakes as anyone else in this world. Thank God that Jesus took my place on that cross so that I can therefore have his righteousness.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:22 am to BHMKyle
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Let me be more clear for the slow people you are referring to: I'M NOT PERFECT. I make mistakes. I make just as many mistakes as anyone else in this world. Thank God that Jesus took my place on that cross so that I can therefore have his righteousness.
Nor are you humble, though you claim to be.
Nor are you self-aware, though you claim to be.
Nor do you understand historical Christianity, though you claim to understand it.
Satan believes that Jesus died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins...will Satan be in heaven?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:24 am to Hugh McElroy
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But don't let your hate of evangelicals keep you from seeing that many of them are good, smart people.
Whenever you are dealing with people you will have failure, and evangelicals are people. The goal for evangelicals is to rise above the world's temptations, but it's not as easy as anyone would like to say it is.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:27 am to ghost2most
F you for bringing up the Grateful Dead in such a negative manner. a**hole
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:28 am to bamasgot13
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Are you annoyed easily by people who are religious and share their thoughts (i.e. a differing point of view than yours)?
Humble, pious, non-judgmental religious people are probably some of the best people in the world. So no, not annoyed by someone being religious.
Am I annoyed by in your face, holier than thou, judgmental hypocrites who can't wait to tell you how religious they are? Damn straight. Those people suck.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:35 am to Tuscaloosa
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You shouldn't be surprised by anything in your OP. But you come across as a bitter, angry "atheist" for no reason.
Here we go again with this bullshite. This is the same of tired bullshite you religious nuts always spout off when someone else dares to question your religion. "Oh you're just a bitter atheist". Or "why are you so mad at god"...
Learn a new trick there little sheep.
First off, most of us non Christians are not atheists. Most of us are agnostic. We don't deny the possibility of a creator, we just acknowledge that it's just as possible there isn't one.
Second: very few agnostics or atheists (at least all the ones I know) are bitter in any way (or at the very least no more so than the Christians I know)
Third: most of us have very little issue with what someone believes. We personally give no shits if you believe the earth is flat, is 6000 years old, or that it once flooded entirely (despite no evidence of any of that and overwhelming evidence against it). You do you, Jack. You go right on believing whatever you want.
What we have a problem with is when those of you who do believe this stuff start making demands (laws) that the rest of us have to follow it too. What we have a problem with is when you want this mythology that has no real evidence supporting Otto be taught to children using tax payers money.
I guarantee if you believers kept that shite to yourselves and other believers, you would have far less problems from the non believers.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:39 am to ghost2most
Lastly, I'm not some militant atheist by any stretch. Probably lean more agnostic than anything.
The reason this topics gets me riled up is because I see these frauds conning people. Whether it be the prosperity gospel mega church pastors flying in private jets and living in mansions, to frauds like Cam Newton and their bogus Christianity shtick, while really cheating their asses off.
I guess it frustrates me that people are so gullible not to see through these charlatans so I'm happy when they're exposed.
And when I say charlatans, I'm not talking about true good people who are religious. I'm talking about the judgmental evangelical types who are looking down their nose and passing judgment while secretly doing shady shite. People like David Vitter, Swaggart, Freeze, you get the type I'm discussing.
IMO Freeze is much more dangerous than a slime like Pitino or Petrino because of the fakeness of it all.
The reason this topics gets me riled up is because I see these frauds conning people. Whether it be the prosperity gospel mega church pastors flying in private jets and living in mansions, to frauds like Cam Newton and their bogus Christianity shtick, while really cheating their asses off.
I guess it frustrates me that people are so gullible not to see through these charlatans so I'm happy when they're exposed.
And when I say charlatans, I'm not talking about true good people who are religious. I'm talking about the judgmental evangelical types who are looking down their nose and passing judgment while secretly doing shady shite. People like David Vitter, Swaggart, Freeze, you get the type I'm discussing.
IMO Freeze is much more dangerous than a slime like Pitino or Petrino because of the fakeness of it all.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:40 am to AshLSU
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Here we go again with this bullshite. This is the same of tired bullshite you religious nuts always spout off when someone else dares to question your religion. "Oh you're just a bitter atheist". Or "why are you so mad at god"...
Learn a new trick there little sheep.
This opening paragraph comes across as bitter and angry, FWIW.
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I guarantee if you believers kept that shite to yourselves and other believers, you would have far less problems from the non believers.
I believe this thread is titled "Evangelical logic" and was started by a "non-believer."
Next.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:45 am to Hugh McElroy
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Hugh McElroy
Listen what you preacha say!
He say you the devil!
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:47 am to Tuscaloosa
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This opening paragraph comes across as bitter and angry, FWIW.
Not bitter, just sick of seeing that same crap EVERY. frickING.TIME.SOMEONE.ASKS.A LOGICAL. QUESTION. ABOUT. CHRISTIANITY.
You come across as bitter that we don't believe what you believe.
This thread was started by a non believer in regards to the defense of a POS person who "expresses in public" that he is a believer by other believers.
We wonder why it is that a "Christian" can be a POS and other "Christians" will defend him where as a non christian can be a POS and "Christians" will not defend him.
Basically, Hugh is a POS, but because he is a Christian, other Christians have come to defend him.
The same would not be happening if he were not Christian.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 11:48 am
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