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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:18 am
Title may be an oxymoron but regardless, these two statements of Freeze disciples are so crazy that I can't wrap my mind around them. They do explain a lot. Doesn't matter what Hugh did because he's a victim because he's so Godly and even if he isn't what fricking difference does it make since Jesus died for me. Now take off the Grateful Dead Shirt.
"The closer a man is to God, the greater the temptations and the pressures are," Cooper said.
"In the spiritual sense that Hugh and I believe in, we don’t get to Heaven by the good things we do on this earth, and we don’t go to Hell because of the bad things we do on this earth. We go to Heaven because Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins."
"The closer a man is to God, the greater the temptations and the pressures are," Cooper said.
"In the spiritual sense that Hugh and I believe in, we don’t get to Heaven by the good things we do on this earth, and we don’t go to Hell because of the bad things we do on this earth. We go to Heaven because Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins."
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:20 am to ghost2most
Newsflash: some evangelicals are illogical. Others are bad people. Same is true of every group of people in the world.
But don't let your hate of evangelicals keep you from seeing that many of them are good, smart people.
But don't let your hate of evangelicals keep you from seeing that many of them are good, smart people.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:22 am to ghost2most
We get it. You don't believe. That's your right. This was debated at length in the other thread. Just review that.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:22 am to ghost2most
You sound really fricking dumb. That's not very Christ-like, admittedly.
This is something all Christians should believe. But it has nothing to do with whether you support Hugh Freeze or not.
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"In the spiritual sense that Hugh and I believe in, we don’t get to Heaven by the good things we do on this earth, and we don’t go to Hell because of the bad things we do on this earth. We go to Heaven because Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins."
This is something all Christians should believe. But it has nothing to do with whether you support Hugh Freeze or not.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:25 am to Pettifogger
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This is something all Christians should believe.
You can't be a Christian and NOT believe it.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:25 am to ghost2most
I don't get why all of these people are coming out to defend Hugh. I have seen countless articles saying "Hugh Freeze is a sinner and so am I". He played the Christian community and they are still defending him. He was taking money from church organizations for speaking fees and using that to pay for hookers.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:26 am to Pettifogger
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He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:26 am to SSpaniel
Maybe that's why I guess I'm not religious because that statement seems dumb as hell to me.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:28 am to ghost2most
Wrong board
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:30 am to ghost2most
I'm a Christian, and I think the comment is false. We are saved by grace, but not merely from that guilt of our sins (though we are saved from that), but from sin itself. Those in Christ are becoming Christ-like, coming to know God, and that IS eternal living, now and after death.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:32 am to ghost2most
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I'm not religious
Are you annoyed easily by people who are religious and share their thoughts (i.e. a differing point of view than yours)?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:36 am to Pettifogger
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This is something all Christians should believe. But it has nothing to do with whether you support Hugh Freeze or not.
I can see how people take issue with it- it can be read as 'hey Jesus died for my sins, so let's partay it up because I've got the key to heaven already'. I've always had a little issue with the idea of being 'saved' myself- or saved at the age of 20 when you've probably got 60 more years to live. But that's probably a different convo.
I'm not anti-God or religion in the slightest but I understand the questioning of things.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:38 am to SSpaniel
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You can't be a Christian and NOT believe it.
Catholics like myself differ on "Sola Fide"
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:39 am to piggilicious
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I can see how people take issue with it- it can be read as 'hey Jesus died for my sins, so let's partay it up because I've got the key to heaven already'. I've always had a little issue with the idea of being 'saved' myself- or saved at the age of 20 when you've probably got 60 more years to live. But that's probably a different convo.
Depends on the context. If it is uttered to excuse Freeze and defend him in his role at Ole Miss, sure, it's odd.
If it's a generic statement of Christian belief, as in, "listen, I can't get into whether Hugh is a hypocrite or uses Christianity as a crutch, because his sins here are, in my belief system, not determinative as to his salvation" - then I think it's very reasonable.
The rest of your post is a different discussion I think, relating more to theological differences in strains of Christianity.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:47 am to ghost2most
The entire premise of Christianity is that Jesus came to save sinners.
Paul, responsible for writing about 70% of the New Testamement, spent most of his early life persecuting and having Christians murdered.
David, one of the most famous people in all of religion, saw some chick sunbathing naked, and got so horny he not only slept with her, but killed her husband.
Jesus, by his own words, didn't come here for the righteous. He came here for the "sick."
You shouldn't be surprised by anything in your OP. But you come across as a bitter, angry "atheist" for no reason.
ETA: For some reason "non-religious" people seem to believe anyone professing Christianity should have their shite together, but that's really the opposite of true to an extent. If Christians had it all figured out, there'd be no need for a messiah at all. Christians are simply broken, disgusting, flawed humans who acknowledge their need for a savior.
Paul, responsible for writing about 70% of the New Testamement, spent most of his early life persecuting and having Christians murdered.
David, one of the most famous people in all of religion, saw some chick sunbathing naked, and got so horny he not only slept with her, but killed her husband.
Jesus, by his own words, didn't come here for the righteous. He came here for the "sick."
You shouldn't be surprised by anything in your OP. But you come across as a bitter, angry "atheist" for no reason.
ETA: For some reason "non-religious" people seem to believe anyone professing Christianity should have their shite together, but that's really the opposite of true to an extent. If Christians had it all figured out, there'd be no need for a messiah at all. Christians are simply broken, disgusting, flawed humans who acknowledge their need for a savior.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:51 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:49 am to Pettifogger
To me what you have is a situation where when someone says they are striving for a higher standard they "fall further" when they do something bad. If I say I don't care how I live my life and am an open degenerate nobody notices when I knock up someone who isn't my wife. If I say that I acknowledge the wrongfullness of the action and shouldn't do it, then I do it, people will look at you differently even though committed the same "offense". While disappointed, I am never surprised when people who you think are good do bad things because I don't put myself above it.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:51 am to ghost2most
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Doesn't matter what Hugh did because he's a victim
Who has claimed that Freeze is a victim? I've not seen anyone say such a thing.
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because he's so Godly
Again, who has said this? You have your own agenda and are literally creating paper tigers to bash when there is no such argument being made.
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and even if he isn't what fricking difference does it make since Jesus died for me.
And again, who says "What difference does it make?" I've not seen or heard one person on this board or on twitter try to claim that Freeze is "Godly" and that his actions weren't a mistake. This is literally the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the rant, and that is saying something.
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"The closer a man is to God, the greater the temptations and the pressures are," Cooper said.
Don't see a problem with this. Not sure I agree, but to each his own. Not sure why you take such personal issue with what someone else believes. Why do you not believe that all are entitled to their own belief system?
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"In the spiritual sense that Hugh and I believe in, we don’t get to Heaven by the good things we do on this earth, and we don’t go to Hell because of the bad things we do on this earth. We go to Heaven because Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins."
This is absolutely true and its the very basis of Christianity. Again, not sure what your issue is. If you are anti-Christian, just say so. But the above statement is the very basis of the world's largest religion.
Are those that disagree so self-righteous that they think they are so great that their own personal actions will earn them a spot in heaven? Depending on Jesus is the only way anyone gets into heaven. He died in my place. He took all of my faults and traded it for his righteousness. Now I'm blameless in the eyes of God... not by my actions but because of His actions.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:53 am to Pettifogger
I think GnashRebel nailed it for me
Catholic School from 1st to graduation here.
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Catholics like myself differ on "Sola Fide"
Catholic School from 1st to graduation here.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:54 am to ghost2most
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Maybe that's why I guess I'm not religious because that statement seems dumb as hell to me.
Yet you seem to be just as judgmental and seem to love to point fingers just as much as those "Christians" you've already decided you don't like.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:54 am to Drunken Crawfish
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I don't get why all of these people are coming out to defend Hugh. I have seen countless articles saying "Hugh Freeze is a sinner and so am I". He played the Christian community and they are still defending him. He was taking money from church organizations for speaking fees and using that to pay for hookers.
Exactly. This wasnt "hey I got drunk one night and hooked up with some chick but I apologized to my wife and I asked forgiveness. Etc etc." No this was a pattern of this while he was still preaching about "character" and "responsibility" and he didnt confess, he got caught and he STILL hasnt taken responsibility. He is a fraud. I feel bad for his wife and daughters and the players that believed his crap.
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