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re: ESPN: Taylor Arrest Exposes Alabama
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:37 am to derSturm37
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:37 am to derSturm37
quote:Couldn't have said it better myself. It's gonna be interesting when the next 2nd chance player from another school craps his mess kit. I'm sure that some of us folks are keeping score.
I agree that it's not the responsiblity of academia to protect him (or anyone else) from himself. But I'll point out two things: 1) To my knowledge having a pending case (felony included) won't keep you or me or anyone else from enrolling in, and being accepted to, a university. Not a public university. Duke or Princeton or MIT maybe. 2) It's not the university's, the coach's, nor anyone else's, responsibility to warn a woman not to date a guy. I'm betting that the woman he assaulted knew about his past. I don't have the data at hand (and I'm not going to waste my morning retrieving them), but I'm thinkng that most of these "second chance" college football players do alright. This one didn't. And Domestic Violence is one of the media's darling issues of the day.
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:38 am to Crimson Legend
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The problem is, criminals like Taylor are just the extreme example. There are TONS of athletes participating in college football and basketball who have no business being college students.
You're right about that, but there are not a tons of athletes who are accepted to universities who are currently facing felony DV aggravated assault charges. That's a hell of a lot different from someone whose SAT scores are a little low.
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I defy anyone to come up with a clear and consistent and enforceable line of who should be able to participate.
I would start with violent felonies. That seems like something that the vast majority of people could agree with.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:38 am to coachcrisp
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It's gonna be interesting when the next 2nd chance player from another school craps his mess kit
My eye's on Ty Flournoy-Smith
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 8:41 am
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:39 am to Croot
Would now be an appropriate time for an "It's Happening" gif?
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 8:40 am
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:40 am to Crimson Legend
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The problem is, criminals like Taylor are just the extreme example. There are TONS of athletes participating in college football and basketball who have no business being college students.
Since none of us want college athletics to be truly amateur like the Ivy League, we look the other way. But over time, it evolves. The money corrupts it ALL over time, and now we're talking about paying players and entire sports networks for a conference of schools.
I have no answer for this. All I can say is that I agree with everyone that Taylor has no business in college, but I defy anyone to come up with a clear and consistent and enforceable line of who should be able to participate.
Good post and good question as well. I suppose I should amend my first post to reflect the fact that I was referring to felons and accused abusers. I have no issue with Alabama taking on Ty Flournoy-Smith or Auburn getting Tray Mathews and helping them with their second chances. Those guys had smaller issues that are very correctable and don't need to be shut out of college football altogether. They just needed a wake up call and got it when they were dismissed. Taylor is another case entirely and I applaud the Bama fans that were outspoken about him getting into Bama in the first place. All while having open cases for theft and domestic violence in Athens.
But to your point, you are right. It would be difficult to come up with, and implement a clear and consistent system to enforce this type of athlete participation going forward.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:41 am to RollTide1987
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We definitely do. But the author is acting like this is some big revelation that Saban brought a kid with issues into the program with the hope he could help us win football games. No shite, Sherlock. I see the Pulitzer in this guy's future.
I don't know why I picked this thread to hover on, but I have.
It's nothing more than a perfect storm type situation, bammer. It's like this:
1) Domestic Violence is a darlin issue of the day. Dudes who are the news media are showing their women how genteel they are by railing on those who slap their women. Nothing inherently wrong with this. Dude's gonna dude. It is what it is.
2) It's probably a slow sports news day.
3) Alabama has been their lord and darling long enough. It will be Ohio State now. Or whomever. But it's time to start picking on Bama.
It was ever thus.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:41 am to coachcrisp
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It's gonna be interesting when the next 2nd chance player from another school craps his mess kit.
Wont matter unless the crime is domestic violence. Its the hot crime now. The NFL never knew it existed until we had video of Ray Rice.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:41 am to Croot
If you are going to attack Coach Saban for giving this young man a second chance then you are attacking football in general and football is the most popular sport in America so therefore you hate America. Why do you hate America?
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:41 am to derSturm37
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I agree that it's not the responsiblity of academia to protect him (or anyone else) from himself. I will point out two things:
1) To my knowledge having a pending case (felony included) won't keep you or me or anyone else from enrolling in, and being accepted to, a university. Not a public university. Duke or Princeton or MIT maybe.
2) It's not the university's, the coach's, nor anyone else's, responsibility to warn a woman not to date a guy. I'm betting that the woman he assaulted knew about his past.
I don't have the data at hand (and I'm not going to waste my morning retrieving them), but I'm thinkng that most of these "second chance" college football players do alright. This one didn't. And Domestic Violence is one of the media's darling issues of the day.
This is what is wrong with the whole system.. Going to college is a privilege, not a right. Not everyone should go to college and not everyone should be accepted to college, public or private. Kick him and anyone else out of school when they commit a crime like this. It isn't the schools responsibility to save this thug.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:42 am to BeeFense5
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The Crimson Tide have the pick of the litter when it comes to recruiting. For whatever reason, they chose a troubled prospect with fleas.
This is what never made sense to me from the beginning.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:43 am to memphisplaya
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The fact any scholar athlete could perform such acts at any given time doesn't negate the fact Alabama failed to do their homework
The fact that there was a zero tolerance policy placed on Taylor indicates that Alabama did at least some of its homework.
Saban gave Taylor a chance to change his ways. He didn't do it and got kicked him to the curb as promised.
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Alabama wanted to win at all costs, and endangered lives in the process.
It could be said that all programs endanger lives when they allow players to play a game as violent as college football.
Nice high horse by the way.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:43 am to derSturm37
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1) To my knowledge having a pending case (felony included) won't keep you or me or anyone else from enrolling in, and being accepted to, a university. Not a public university. Duke or Princeton or MIT maybe.
I'm pretty sure most universities, even public ones, can prevent felons from enrolling. Just don't accept their application.
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2) It's not the university's, the coach's, nor anyone else's, responsibility to warn a woman not to date a guy. I'm betting that the woman he assaulted knew about his past.
It's the responsibility of the university to do everything within reasonable expectations to provide a safe environment for their students.
I understand why Saban and the AD wanted him. I don't understand how the university allowed it to happen.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:44 am to StopRobot
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If you are going to attack Coach Saban for giving himself at another chance at a National Championship then you are attacking football in general and football is the most popular sport in America so therefore you hate America. Why do you hate America?
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:47 am to yellowhammer2098
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This is what is wrong with the whole system.. Going to college is a privilege, not a right. Not everyone should go to college and not everyone should be accepted to college, public or private. Kick him and anyone else out of school when they commit a crime like this. It isn't the schools responsibility to save this thug.
You seem to be forgetting about the "innocent until proven guilty" substratum of being America.
No biggie. You're not the only one.
But don't expect academia (good word) to yet be so crass. Hopefully it (academia) will be among the last to surrender.
THE CASE IN GEORGIA IS STILL PENDING.
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Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:49 am to derSturm37
OK....this thread has taken the last train for the coast. In conclusion, "life is like a box of chocolates..."
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:49 am to Croot
When University's take chances on kids like this they should be bound to the kid and his problem for a certain amount of time. Alabama should have to pay to have this kid helped in whatever way possible. Pay for his rehab.
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:50 am to Dirty Whistle
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Pay for his rehab.
I think you mean jail
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:52 am to DaBama
The fact that bama fans keep bringing up this zero tolerance policy Taylor was supposedly under is roll on the ground laughable. Most schools would have never taken him based on his crimes at Georgia. There is not a school in the country that would have kept him after his 3rd arrest in the last year, including his 2nd arrest for domestic violence
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:52 am to Dirty Whistle
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Pay for his rehab.
How? The kid is likely going to jail. What are we going to do? Pay for his phone calls?
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:53 am to Dirty Whistle
quote:Hey Hillary! I've found you a recruit to help with your campaign.
When University's take chances on kids like this they should be bound to the kid and his problem for a certain amount of time. Alabama should have to pay to have this kid helped in whatever way possible. Pay for his rehab.
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