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re: ESPN pundits: Jameson Williams best receier in the draft if healthy. ….

Posted on 4/30/22 at 8:09 am to
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 4/30/22 at 8:09 am to
Well Bama had already torched those 5 1st rounders once when both receivers played.

Like it or not those are the facts Mel has in his favor.

It is all water under the bridge.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58945 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 8:14 am to
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It’s like saying “If Colt McCoy doesn’t get hurt Texas wins” - but they’re not ready to face that reality


Exactly.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58945 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 8:21 am to
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Well Bama had already torched those 5 1st rounders once when both receivers played.

Absolutely. But we were still missing a ton of players, so....still al speculation. Thing is both teams were missing a lot of players. One team did not fall apart and lose when one player left the game.

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Like it or not those are the facts Mel has in his favor.
You mean focusing on one player beiong injured while ignoring the players missing for the other team?

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It is all water under the bridge.

It is. Everybody has injuries and miss players when they are unable to play for whatever reason. There is no doubt that Alabama missed Metchie and Williams....but what Alabama fans miss is you probably missed your DBs more.

Georgia was missing a lot of players and a couple were playing injured. It happens, but we don't stop the game and wait until both teams are at full speed. Had Alabama won the game y'all would be rolling your eyes if we had brought up all of our injuries, but somehow it is an acceptable excuse for Tide fans.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 8:22 am to
Games over, we scored more points. Georgia won...

Kiper molests collies and is less dependable than a weatherman.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
11670 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 8:26 am to
JMO but the 2021 Bama team stole a great year. Bryce saved the day for sure.

I had Bama at 10-2 for the regular season. Fact is I am going with 10-2 again for 2022.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58945 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 9:27 am to
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MO but the 2021 Bama team stole a great year. Bryce saved the day for sure.

Absolutely. To play for a title in a year expected to be a rebuilding year just speaks to the kind of program Saban has built at Alabama.

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Fact is I am going with 10-2 again for 2022.
No way possible. I will be shocked if Alabama does not go undefeated and add another title. I mean...it's all speculation, but you guys have a ton of talent coming back.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 9:46 am to
People bring up the Colt McCoy thing like it’s some gotcha but the situations aren’t remotely the same. Alabama and Georgia had played each other earlier in the year. Georgia’s vaunted DL couldn’t pressure Young, Georgia’s secondary could not cover Metchie or Williams, and Georgia’s WRs couldn’t get open against our DBs. Only their TE had any kind of success in that first game.

By the second quarter of the second game, the vast majority of those pieces that held Georgia in check in that first game were out with injuries. Colt McCoy was injured on the sixth snap from scrimmage on a drive that started at Alabama’s 39-yard line. The situations aren’t even remotely similar.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58945 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 9:54 am to
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People bring up the Colt McCoy thing like it’s some gotcha but the situations aren’t remotely the same.

Ummm. Yes. They are.

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Alabama and Georgia had played each other earlier in the year. Georgia’s vaunted DL couldn’t pressure Young, G
It's almost like every game has a different intensity and different game plans, etc. Huh?
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By the second quarter of the second game, the vast majority of those pieces that held Georgia in check in that first game were out with injuries. Colt McCoy was injured on the sixth snap from scrimmage on a drive that started at Alabama’s 39-yard line. The situations aren’t even remotely similar.

So, in other wotds....the injuries mattered to Alabama but did not matter for Georgia? Solid reasoning.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65147 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 10:48 am to
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Ummm. Yes. They are.


Ummm. No. They're not. Alabama and Georgia had played four weeks earlier so we saw what the Tide's offense was capable of with its two starting receivers healthy and running full speed.

Colt McCoy had six plays from scrimmage that netted about 30 yards before he went out with an injury. To say we know for sure that Colt would have made a difference in that game is pure speculation. On the other hand, we have actual data from a previous game on how important Williams and Metchie were to Alabama's offensive attack. With Colt McCoy, we have just six plays.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23764 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:01 am to
What a lot of people don't know is Greg Mc Elroy played that game with cracked ribs and could hardly throw the ball, negating Alabama's best offensive player Julio Jones.

Jones was 10 times the player Colt Mc Coy ever dreamed about being. The injury limited what Alabama could do offensively, so they ran it down Tex-arse' throat and made them like it.

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Posted by ClaimToFame
Member since Nov 2017
1586 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:09 am to
Mel Cuck Jr.
If Alabama didn't have any injuries, and if officiating had been better, and if covid hadn't interfered, and if it hadn't been so cold outside, and if Saban hadn't worn counterfeit crimson tide underwear....
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
23141 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:14 am to
They make it seem like this is going to create some chip on his shoulder

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Through the first 12 picks of the 2022 NFL Draft, four wide receivers were drafted ahead of Alabama star wideout Jameson Williams before he was selected 12th overall by the Detroit Lions.



WTF kind of sentence is this? It's not even accurate or even english. He was the 4th receiver selected, so there were not 4 before him. And he was picked 12th. So through the first 12 picks, he was picked.


Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22619 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:22 am to


Here we see two Alabama WRs showing the knees UGA would take from them (along with their hearts and pride)

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58945 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:37 am to
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Ummm. No. They're not. Alabama and Georgia had played four weeks earlier so we saw what the Tide's offense was capable of with its two starting receivers healthy and running full speed.

You said they were not remotely the same. They are were both linchpin players for their team that got injured in the game, and their teams both claimed that injury was the reason they got beat. See the similarities? Are they exactly the same? no. Are they very similar? Yes.

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Colt McCoy had six plays from scrimmage that netted about 30 yards before he went out with an injury. To say we know for sure that Colt would have made a difference in that game is pure speculation.
And the score fo the title game was 3-3 when Williams went down halfway through the second quarter. Yet in your mind that made all the difference in the world.

It might have. But it is no more a stretch to say it didn't make a difference as it is for Tide fans to say it did not make a difference for McCoy to go down. McCoy made the Longhorn offense go.

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On the other hand, we have actual data from a previous game on how important Williams and Metchie were to Alabama's offensive attack. With Colt McCoy, we have just six plays.
A game in which Georgia had numerous players out or playing on play counts because of injuries?

Why do Alabama missing players count and Georgia missing players not count?
Posted by MLU
Member since Feb 2017
1677 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:43 am to
The guy who couldn't beat out Wilson and Olave for playing time is suddenly better than both of them?

The Bama bias is real.
Posted by Mikaelomo
Member since Sep 2012
530 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:45 am to
If my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle.
Posted by Mikaelomo
Member since Sep 2012
530 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:46 am to
as much as i hate bama, i thought this celebration was kinda cool
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
23141 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:53 am to
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The guy who couldn't beat out Wilson and Olave for playing time is suddenly better than both of them?



Different type of players. Olave is a more smooth route runner than anyone in this draft and Wilson is a freak athlete. Williams is the guy you can throw the ball to over the middle for 8 yards and he takes it to the house

JSN being the best of the 4 probably made it difficult for Williams. He was good at OSU, but wasn't going to be featured as the guy ever because of the other studs. He made a great decision for him and could end up with the best stats of the 3 if he ends up in the right situation.

I don't think the Lions is an ideal situation of course but again not his faul
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
9729 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 11:55 am to
Yea, everybody knew this but he DID get hurt, that's football. Luck was not on Bama's side last year and again that's football. UGA won, end of story. Getting his cleat caught in the seam of carpet does not take away anything.
Miami might (probably) wins in 2002 if Mcgehee doesn't shred his knee BUT HE DID. That's football
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58945 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:50 pm to
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Getting his cleat caught in the seam of carpet does not take away anything.

When he went down I saw him reaching for his knee. I genuinely felt bad for him, because I suspected he would go out for the game. I also realized our chances of beating Alabama went up by a lot.....but I felt bad for Williamson. I was hoping it was serious enough to take him out of the game, but not serious enough to hurt his career.
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