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re: Done with Bielema

Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
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Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:10 pm to
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And momentum and a couple strong recruiting classes can give that as well. It isn't like going to a ground and pound style where you win three games, can't recruit, and come across as the whiniest coach imaginable is the only way to do that, right?



Most of the best players on the field he recruited.

I could careless if he sucks his thumb if you recruit and win.

Coach B is the right age, had success, worked underneath a few good resume of coaches, understands the SEC now, wants to recruit Texas again and is getting paid very well do it.

Think about this.. Petrino and Nutt had us playing in the Sugar Bowl and SEC championship games and they NEVER recruited outside of Arkansas. The right guy who does will win a lot of games at Arkansas and Coach B on paper can do just that.

If he keeps recruiting the Freshmen you saw play today, I'll be very happy.

This post was edited on 11/29/13 at 6:10 pm
Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:13 pm to
You're nuts. He made the right call there. Wasn't his fault the defense couldn't stop us getting points after that. They'd have never stopped us if you turn it over there.

Got no love for Bert but get real.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
47325 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:16 pm to
Ummm no, Bielema made the right call. And the dumb arse who said Richt would've gone for it on the first page is just that, a dumb arse
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:18 pm to
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Most of the best players on the field he recruited.

I could careless if he sucks his thumb if you recruit and win.


Which begs a couple questions... should he have jumped in to his system so quickly from Day 1, or at least used some spread concepts given the players he had to try and win one or two to build some recruiting momentum? Let's face it 0-8 in conference play is bad. There have been lots of bare cupboards and they don't go winless in conference. And my second question... recruiting. How do you expect to win without Texas recruits? You currently have two Texas commits, and the kicker Texas A&M is most likely going to steal. When you talk about building a "long term" approach, are you just going to randomly choose areas to recruit and not build pipelines? You can come up with a million ways for Arky to build a long term success plan. None of them will lack the Lone Star State if they even half way decent.
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10400 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:18 pm to
He's been bitched about for taking chances all year, now he makes the correct call and it's executed as perfectly as it can be, and you want to bitch. More than a damn inch, as well.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:20 pm to
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He's been bitched about for taking chances all year, now he makes the correct call and it's executed as perfectly as it can be, and you want to bitch. More than a damn inch, as well.
But at the point what did Arkansas have to lose? You ended up losing anyways because his playing not to lose philosophy back fired horribly. You can't play not to lose and expect to win close games.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:22 pm to
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He played the odds perfectly


This. He made the right call. Nine out of ten games that decision and execution wins the game.
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
Member since Jan 2011
9202 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:26 pm to
When you replace a CEO you don't work with the old system you implement your foundation and use a timeline for success. Our time line is three years. Year one was very ugly but year three could be very pretty.

Arkansas went to the BCS and SEC Championship games on Arkansas talent. Go back and look at our studs then the majority was from Arkansas. Texas talent is for depth to actually win the SEC and is needed but we aren't OSU with 70 kids from Texas on our roster.

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There have been lots of bare cupboards and they don't go winless in conference.


Arkansas' first year out of 110 years to go winless in conference. I'm highly not worried this becomes a recurring theme.


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When you talk about building a "long term" approach, are you just going to randomly choose areas to recruit and not build pipelines?


No. Dallas. OSU and Arkansas only have a 45 mile difference to DFW. One has a lot more money, stadium size, fan base and an SEC label. There isn't an excuse if you ask me otherwise you just aren't a good salesman.

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You can come up with a million ways for Arky to build a long term success plan. None of them will lack the Lone Star State if they even half way decent.


Change decent to championships. History already showed it happens.

Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:26 pm to
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He played the odds perfectly
No, because on the 1st 4th down even if he didn't get it and LSU scores a touchdown he is only down by one. He could have put a drive together and kick the game winning field goal. If he had gotten the first he could have run more than 2 minutes off the clock
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:27 pm to
Punting = the right call. Allowing brand new QB to sit comfortably in the pocket while dropping 7 into coverage = bad call
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:29 pm to
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Punting = the right call. Allowing brand new freshman QB missing the #1 receiver to sit comfortably in the pocket while dropping 7 into coverage = bad call


This I can agree with.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:30 pm to
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Allowing brand new QB to sit comfortably in the pocket while dropping 7 into coverage = bad call
This is why I said he put his kids in a bad position. But Arky fans want to blame the kid
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:33 pm to
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Also, in 2010 when Bama was down to Arky, Saban blitz the shite of them and ended up with Kirkpatrick getting a pick and we scored and won the game.


Arkie was ahead, not behind. The team that's behind rarely plays prevent.

And you should only play prevent when you're down 2 or more scores late.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:33 pm to
For a Bama fan you don't know shite about football. It's ok, softball season is right around the corner.
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
Member since Jan 2011
9202 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:34 pm to
Simplified.

Nutt (decent coach, decent Arkansas recruiter, bad out-of-state recruiter) = SEC Championship games.

Petrino (great coach, decent Arkansas recruiter, bad out-of-state recruiter) = BCS Bowl

Bielema (good coach, decent Arkansas recruiter, ?) = ?

Do you see the pattern.. When Arkansas had great homegrown talent with a great coach we went to the BCS. When Arkansas has great homegrown talent with a decent coach we went to the SEC Championship game.

What happens when Arkansas has a good coach, good Arkansas recruiter and good out-of-state recruiter? We don't know yet but we will find out.

Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:34 pm to
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When you replace a CEO you don't work with the old system you implement your foundation and use a timeline for success. Our time line is three years. Year one was very ugly but year three could be very pretty.


I won't deny this.

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Arkansas went to the BCS and SEC Championship games on Arkansas talent. Go back and look at our studs then the majority was from Arkansas. Texas talent is for depth to actually win the SEC and is needed but we aren't OSU with 70 kids from Texas on our roster.


And I would argue what Oklahoma State is doing is far superior than what Arkansas did when they peaked in their arse pounding at the hands of Ohio State. They have built an incredible system suited to the talent around them. A long term foundation for success.

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Arkansas' first year out of 110 years to go winless in conference. I'm highly not worried this becomes a recurring theme.


Maybe, but sometimes these things are hard to live down. 77-0 is still frequently mentioned and current recruits were 5-6 years old when it happened.

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No. Dallas. OSU and Arkansas only have a 45 mile difference to DFW. One has a lot more money, stadium size, fan base and an SEC label. There isn't an excuse if you ask me otherwise you just aren't a good salesman.


So if Bert strikes out again in DFW for 2015 recruits, will you concede that there is reasonable concern? You can talk historically about talent and how much Arkansas has needed from DFW, but the fact of the matter is, historically DFW hasn't been a top 3 metropolitan area. Moving forward the economic/population growth of DFW is astronomical.

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Change decent to championships. History already showed it happens.


History is just that.
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:35 pm to
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You ended up losing anyways because his playing not to lose philosophy back fired horribly. You can't play not to lose and expect to win close games.


I really hope you're just trolling.
Posted by ShreveportHog94
GodBlessAmerica
Member since Nov 2006
6036 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:38 pm to
BB coaching a 9 or 10 win team and it is the right call. This was our bowl game though. We had nothing to play for and nothing to lose. There is not a whole lot of coaches that wouldn't have said frick it in the same situation. It was the wrong call to punt.
Posted by SunHog
Illinois
Member since Jan 2011
9202 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:41 pm to
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And I would argue what Oklahoma State is doing is far superior than what Arkansas did when they peaked in their arse pounding at the hands of Ohio State. They have built an incredible system suited to the talent around them. A long term foundation for success.



Hmm.. Did OSU do that by firing coaches every 3 or 4 years? I have no idea what Ohio State game you're referring to considering it was one hell of a great game and it was a BCS bowl this decade we've been to unlike yourself.

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Maybe, but sometimes these things are hard to live down. 77-0 is still frequently mentioned and current recruits were 5-6 years old when it happened.



I do not think a single recruit at Texas A&M cares what Oklahoma did to them many years ago with a different staff and conference.

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So if Bert strikes out again in DFW for 2015 recruits, will you concede that there is reasonable concern?


So he gets only one chance in his first year here? Good luck building anything with that criteria.


This post was edited on 11/29/13 at 6:42 pm
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3789 posts
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:41 pm to
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You can't play not to lose and expect to win close games


Bama lost the game of the century to LSU because Saban played not to lose.
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