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re: Done with Bielema
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:10 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:10 pm to TeLeFaWx
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And momentum and a couple strong recruiting classes can give that as well. It isn't like going to a ground and pound style where you win three games, can't recruit, and come across as the whiniest coach imaginable is the only way to do that, right?
Most of the best players on the field he recruited.
I could careless if he sucks his thumb if you recruit and win.
Coach B is the right age, had success, worked underneath a few good resume of coaches, understands the SEC now, wants to recruit Texas again and is getting paid very well do it.
Think about this.. Petrino and Nutt had us playing in the Sugar Bowl and SEC championship games and they NEVER recruited outside of Arkansas. The right guy who does will win a lot of games at Arkansas and Coach B on paper can do just that.
If he keeps recruiting the Freshmen you saw play today, I'll be very happy.
This post was edited on 11/29/13 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:13 pm to hogSS
You're nuts. He made the right call there. Wasn't his fault the defense couldn't stop us getting points after that. They'd have never stopped us if you turn it over there.
Got no love for Bert but get real.
Got no love for Bert but get real.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:16 pm to hogSS
Ummm no, Bielema made the right call. And the dumb arse who said Richt would've gone for it on the first page is just that, a dumb arse
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:18 pm to SunHog
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Most of the best players on the field he recruited.
I could careless if he sucks his thumb if you recruit and win.
Which begs a couple questions... should he have jumped in to his system so quickly from Day 1, or at least used some spread concepts given the players he had to try and win one or two to build some recruiting momentum? Let's face it 0-8 in conference play is bad. There have been lots of bare cupboards and they don't go winless in conference. And my second question... recruiting. How do you expect to win without Texas recruits? You currently have two Texas commits, and the kicker Texas A&M is most likely going to steal. When you talk about building a "long term" approach, are you just going to randomly choose areas to recruit and not build pipelines? You can come up with a million ways for Arky to build a long term success plan. None of them will lack the Lone Star State if they even half way decent.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:18 pm to hogSS
He's been bitched about for taking chances all year, now he makes the correct call and it's executed as perfectly as it can be, and you want to bitch. More than a damn inch, as well.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:20 pm to WonderWartHawg
quote:But at the point what did Arkansas have to lose? You ended up losing anyways because his playing not to lose philosophy back fired horribly. You can't play not to lose and expect to win close games.
He's been bitched about for taking chances all year, now he makes the correct call and it's executed as perfectly as it can be, and you want to bitch. More than a damn inch, as well.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:22 pm to kevv824
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He played the odds perfectly
This. He made the right call. Nine out of ten games that decision and execution wins the game.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:26 pm to TeLeFaWx
When you replace a CEO you don't work with the old system you implement your foundation and use a timeline for success. Our time line is three years. Year one was very ugly but year three could be very pretty.
Arkansas went to the BCS and SEC Championship games on Arkansas talent. Go back and look at our studs then the majority was from Arkansas. Texas talent is for depth to actually win the SEC and is needed but we aren't OSU with 70 kids from Texas on our roster.
Arkansas' first year out of 110 years to go winless in conference. I'm highly not worried this becomes a recurring theme.
No. Dallas. OSU and Arkansas only have a 45 mile difference to DFW. One has a lot more money, stadium size, fan base and an SEC label. There isn't an excuse if you ask me otherwise you just aren't a good salesman.
Change decent to championships. History already showed it happens.
Arkansas went to the BCS and SEC Championship games on Arkansas talent. Go back and look at our studs then the majority was from Arkansas. Texas talent is for depth to actually win the SEC and is needed but we aren't OSU with 70 kids from Texas on our roster.
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There have been lots of bare cupboards and they don't go winless in conference.
Arkansas' first year out of 110 years to go winless in conference. I'm highly not worried this becomes a recurring theme.
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When you talk about building a "long term" approach, are you just going to randomly choose areas to recruit and not build pipelines?
No. Dallas. OSU and Arkansas only have a 45 mile difference to DFW. One has a lot more money, stadium size, fan base and an SEC label. There isn't an excuse if you ask me otherwise you just aren't a good salesman.
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You can come up with a million ways for Arky to build a long term success plan. None of them will lack the Lone Star State if they even half way decent.
Change decent to championships. History already showed it happens.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:26 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:No, because on the 1st 4th down even if he didn't get it and LSU scores a touchdown he is only down by one. He could have put a drive together and kick the game winning field goal. If he had gotten the first he could have run more than 2 minutes off the clock
He played the odds perfectly
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:27 pm to hogSS
Punting = the right call. Allowing brand new QB to sit comfortably in the pocket while dropping 7 into coverage = bad call
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:29 pm to bamafan1001
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Punting = the right call. Allowing brand new freshman QB missing the #1 receiver to sit comfortably in the pocket while dropping 7 into coverage = bad call
This I can agree with.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:30 pm to bamafan1001
quote:This is why I said he put his kids in a bad position. But Arky fans want to blame the kid
Allowing brand new QB to sit comfortably in the pocket while dropping 7 into coverage = bad call
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:33 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Also, in 2010 when Bama was down to Arky, Saban blitz the shite of them and ended up with Kirkpatrick getting a pick and we scored and won the game.
Arkie was ahead, not behind. The team that's behind rarely plays prevent.
And you should only play prevent when you're down 2 or more scores late.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:33 pm to MontyFranklyn
For a Bama fan you don't know shite about football. It's ok, softball season is right around the corner.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:34 pm to TeLeFaWx
Simplified.
Nutt (decent coach, decent Arkansas recruiter, bad out-of-state recruiter) = SEC Championship games.
Petrino (great coach, decent Arkansas recruiter, bad out-of-state recruiter) = BCS Bowl
Bielema (good coach, decent Arkansas recruiter, ?) = ?
Do you see the pattern.. When Arkansas had great homegrown talent with a great coach we went to the BCS. When Arkansas has great homegrown talent with a decent coach we went to the SEC Championship game.
What happens when Arkansas has a good coach, good Arkansas recruiter and good out-of-state recruiter? We don't know yet but we will find out.
Nutt (decent coach, decent Arkansas recruiter, bad out-of-state recruiter) = SEC Championship games.
Petrino (great coach, decent Arkansas recruiter, bad out-of-state recruiter) = BCS Bowl
Bielema (good coach, decent Arkansas recruiter, ?) = ?
Do you see the pattern.. When Arkansas had great homegrown talent with a great coach we went to the BCS. When Arkansas has great homegrown talent with a decent coach we went to the SEC Championship game.
What happens when Arkansas has a good coach, good Arkansas recruiter and good out-of-state recruiter? We don't know yet but we will find out.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:34 pm to SunHog
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When you replace a CEO you don't work with the old system you implement your foundation and use a timeline for success. Our time line is three years. Year one was very ugly but year three could be very pretty.
I won't deny this.
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Arkansas went to the BCS and SEC Championship games on Arkansas talent. Go back and look at our studs then the majority was from Arkansas. Texas talent is for depth to actually win the SEC and is needed but we aren't OSU with 70 kids from Texas on our roster.
And I would argue what Oklahoma State is doing is far superior than what Arkansas did when they peaked in their arse pounding at the hands of Ohio State. They have built an incredible system suited to the talent around them. A long term foundation for success.
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Arkansas' first year out of 110 years to go winless in conference. I'm highly not worried this becomes a recurring theme.
Maybe, but sometimes these things are hard to live down. 77-0 is still frequently mentioned and current recruits were 5-6 years old when it happened.
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No. Dallas. OSU and Arkansas only have a 45 mile difference to DFW. One has a lot more money, stadium size, fan base and an SEC label. There isn't an excuse if you ask me otherwise you just aren't a good salesman.
So if Bert strikes out again in DFW for 2015 recruits, will you concede that there is reasonable concern? You can talk historically about talent and how much Arkansas has needed from DFW, but the fact of the matter is, historically DFW hasn't been a top 3 metropolitan area. Moving forward the economic/population growth of DFW is astronomical.
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Change decent to championships. History already showed it happens.
History is just that.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:35 pm to MontyFranklyn
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You ended up losing anyways because his playing not to lose philosophy back fired horribly. You can't play not to lose and expect to win close games.
I really hope you're just trolling.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:38 pm to Gladius Veritas
BB coaching a 9 or 10 win team and it is the right call. This was our bowl game though. We had nothing to play for and nothing to lose. There is not a whole lot of coaches that wouldn't have said frick it in the same situation. It was the wrong call to punt.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:41 pm to TeLeFaWx
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And I would argue what Oklahoma State is doing is far superior than what Arkansas did when they peaked in their arse pounding at the hands of Ohio State. They have built an incredible system suited to the talent around them. A long term foundation for success.
Hmm.. Did OSU do that by firing coaches every 3 or 4 years? I have no idea what Ohio State game you're referring to considering it was one hell of a great game and it was a BCS bowl this decade we've been to unlike yourself.
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Maybe, but sometimes these things are hard to live down. 77-0 is still frequently mentioned and current recruits were 5-6 years old when it happened.
I do not think a single recruit at Texas A&M cares what Oklahoma did to them many years ago with a different staff and conference.
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So if Bert strikes out again in DFW for 2015 recruits, will you concede that there is reasonable concern?
So he gets only one chance in his first year here? Good luck building anything with that criteria.
This post was edited on 11/29/13 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:41 pm to MontyFranklyn
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You can't play not to lose and expect to win close games
Bama lost the game of the century to LSU because Saban played not to lose.
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