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re: Did Bear Bryant stack the deck for Alabama?
Posted on 5/8/14 at 7:33 am to 167back
Posted on 5/8/14 at 7:33 am to 167back
quote:You're one stupid bastard.
Another scheduling ploy by the bare. Cholly Mac tried for years to get the LSU/bama game moved from the saturday after LSU/olemiss to another date. bare wouldn't hear any of it. He said he had LSU right where he wanted them. The week after their biggest rival at that time.
Alabama doesn't have, and never has had any control over another team's schedule. No team does.This post was edited on 5/8/14 at 7:35 am
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Posted on 5/8/14 at 7:53 am to ChexMix
Half-assing it STILL??
Kentucky didn't get the nod because they were under sanctions, not because Alabama had an extra game. Moron.
Alabama finished with a higher winning %. All teams could schedule extra games. Case in point - Auburn had 7 SEC games in 1969 to Alabama's 6. LSU only played 5 and won the conference championship, at 4-1, while UGA finished second at 4-1-1.
See above. Winning % dictates it and every team had the opportunity to schedule enough games. The extra games were not always a "freebie" as you seem to believe, though.
So? They didn't schedule us either. Or are you saying that we held ultimate power over the SEC back in 1961 and dictated exactly who played whom?
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In 1977, Alabama finished the season 7-0 while Kentucky finished the season 6-0. Alabama claims the conference title due to the additional conference game. Kentucky is not recognized as a co-champion
Kentucky didn't get the nod because they were under sanctions, not because Alabama had an extra game. Moron.
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In 1972, a year where Auburn finished the regular season 9-1 with a win over Alabama in the Iron Bowl, Alabama was crowned the SEC Champion with a 10-1 record due to the additional SEC game they played, despite losing to their rival.
Alabama finished with a higher winning %. All teams could schedule extra games. Case in point - Auburn had 7 SEC games in 1969 to Alabama's 6. LSU only played 5 and won the conference championship, at 4-1, while UGA finished second at 4-1-1.
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In 1965, Alabama finished 6-1-1 and Auburn finished 4-1-1 during conference play. Alabama claims the conference title and won the head to head with Auburn during the season.
See above. Winning % dictates it and every team had the opportunity to schedule enough games. The extra games were not always a "freebie" as you seem to believe, though.
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In 1961, Alabama finished with 7-0, LSU 6-0, and Ole Miss 5-1 in conference play. Both Alabama and LSU claim championships. Alabama did not schedule either LSU or Ole Miss during season.
So? They didn't schedule us either. Or are you saying that we held ultimate power over the SEC back in 1961 and dictated exactly who played whom?
Posted on 5/8/14 at 7:57 am to skrayper
So many excuses, so little time.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 8:02 am to skrayper
LOL, no one complained about Bama running the SEC when Shula was coach.
The MNC spin from bitter second rate SEC teams is bad, but the spin and revisionist history over SEC Championships is hysterical.
And to the poster who was crying about Charlie Mac having to play Bama after the juggernaut Ole Miss teams of the 70s, please dry your eyes and wipe your bleeding vagina.
The MNC spin from bitter second rate SEC teams is bad, but the spin and revisionist history over SEC Championships is hysterical.
And to the poster who was crying about Charlie Mac having to play Bama after the juggernaut Ole Miss teams of the 70s, please dry your eyes and wipe your bleeding vagina.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:21 am to ChexMix
The only season where an extra SEC game actually favored Bama was in '72...that year should've been recognized, at the very least, as a split championship with Auburn (although Auburn would've held the tie-breaker).
Does any one know why Bama was the only team to consistently schedule extra SEC games? I know Bear was powerful, but there were several other powerful and well-established coaches in the SEC during that time frame...Shug Jordan, Charley McLendon, Vince Dooley, Johnny Vaught. What kept other coaches from doing the same thing?
Does any one know why Bama was the only team to consistently schedule extra SEC games? I know Bear was powerful, but there were several other powerful and well-established coaches in the SEC during that time frame...Shug Jordan, Charley McLendon, Vince Dooley, Johnny Vaught. What kept other coaches from doing the same thing?
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:27 am to ChexMix
This thread is full of fail. 
The SEC in that era had a number of schedule issues. Schedules back then were drawn up years and years in advance. A lot of teams in the eastern half of the conference lost Georgia Tech from their schedules when GT quit the league, and a lot of teams in the western half had a similar issue when Tulane quit. This led to numerous SEC teams having fewer conference games. The league office could have stepped in and forced all of the teams that lost GT as an opponent to fill their schedule voids with teams that lost Tulane as an opponent, but it would have caused countless issues with moving previously scheduled games around, buy-out clauses, etc.
The SEC in that era had a number of schedule issues. Schedules back then were drawn up years and years in advance. A lot of teams in the eastern half of the conference lost Georgia Tech from their schedules when GT quit the league, and a lot of teams in the western half had a similar issue when Tulane quit. This led to numerous SEC teams having fewer conference games. The league office could have stepped in and forced all of the teams that lost GT as an opponent to fill their schedule voids with teams that lost Tulane as an opponent, but it would have caused countless issues with moving previously scheduled games around, buy-out clauses, etc.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:32 am to OldPete
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Does any one know why Bama was the only team to consistently schedule extra SEC games?
Centrally located in the conference. Rival to teams in both the eastern and western half of the conference. By comparison, Georgia and LSU were on the fringes of the conference's borders and played each other fewer times than any other SEC charter members.
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I know Bear was powerful, but there were several other powerful and well-established coaches in the SEC during that time frame...Shug Jordan, Charley McLendon, Vince Dooley, Johnny Vaught. What kept other coaches from doing the same thing?
Shug and Vince played teams in the eastern part of the conference; Charlie and Johnny played teams in the western part of the conference.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 9:52 am to kudzoo
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Oh yeah, he was also 4-1-1 against LSU while the HC at KEN-FRICKING-TUCKY.
Everyone knows that I love the Bear, but I have to take the LSU fan's side on this one. The Bear was actually 2-1-1 against LSU at UK.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 10:24 am to TheDude321
Still pissed Saban went in and saved this shitty program
Posted on 5/8/14 at 10:43 am to TheDude321
quote:Yeah, the other two wins were when Coach Bryant was at Texas A&M versus LSU.
Oh yeah, he was also 4-1-1 against LSU while the HC at KEN-FRICKING-TUCKY.quote:
Everyone knows that I love the Bear, but I have to take the LSU fan's side on this one. The Bear was actually 2-1-1 against LSU at UK.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 10:45 am to ChexMix
One hundred years of wonderful tradition from Bear Bryant to Nick Saban.......You're god damn right i'm living in the fricking past!
Posted on 5/8/14 at 10:46 am to kudzoo
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THAT Bear Bryant.
Never heard of him.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 11:31 am to ChexMix
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They won it on the field.
By getting the shite kicked out of them by LSU? 28 point loss? Yeah, that's winning it on the field.
This post was edited on 5/8/14 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 5/8/14 at 11:58 am to Bamatab
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It was the norm for the Bamas, OUs, Nebs, OSUs, Michs, USCs of the college football world back then.
Woody Hayes was notorious for it. He'd hand a schollie to any decent player he didn't need just to avoid the chance they'd go to Michigan and end up being good.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 12:03 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:Eerily similar to 2013 wouldnt you say?
By getting the shite kickef out of them by LSU? 28 point loss? Yeah, that's winning it on the field.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 12:09 pm to ChexMix
He did everything possible to stack the deck, that was the name of the game back then.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 12:15 pm to 167back
quote:Bryant was terrified by Cholly Mac.
Another scheduling ploy by the bare. Cholly Mac tried for years to get the LSU/bama game moved from the saturday after LSU/olemiss to another date. bare wouldn't hear any of it.
Didn't he beat him every year?Posted on 5/8/14 at 12:34 pm to OldPete
quote:I'd LOVE to know the answer to this question as well. Did those other great coaches just not have the vision to fight Coach Bryant at his own game?
Does any one know why Bama was the only team to consistently schedule extra SEC games? I know Bear was powerful, but there were several other powerful and well-established coaches in the SEC during that time frame...Shug Jordan, Charley McLendon, Vince Dooley, Johnny Vaught. What kept other coaches from doing the same thing?
Maybe highschool players wanted to try to play for the best?
And "if" there were unlimited scholarships now, would more great 5*'s want to play for Bama/Saban than other SEC teams?
Posted on 5/8/14 at 12:57 pm to ChexMix
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From 1959-1981, one year after Bryant was hired until his death, the University of Alabama scheduled an additional SEC game compared to the rest of the league. During this stretch, Alabama won 13 conference championships.
Playing the extra game only helps if you win it. Seems to me like Ol' Bear was trying to pacify the cry babies by giving his team a chance to lose an extra game.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 1:13 pm to RT1941
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What kept other coaches from doing the same thing?
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I'd LOVE to know the answer to this question as well. Did those other great coaches just not have the vision to fight Coach Bryant at his own game? Maybe highschool players wanted to try to play for the best? And "if" there were unlimited scholarships now, would more great 5*'s want to play for Bama/Saban than other SEC teams?
Good luck getting an answer to that.
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