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Posted on 12/8/13 at 10:29 pm to Prof
Posted on 12/8/13 at 10:29 pm to Prof
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I'm less interested in Pollack and the play action than answering what in the holy hells bells is Gus feeding these guys or telling them to do in order to get Auburn's OL to run block so well that even great d-lines who know ahead of time pretty much all Auburn is ever going to do is run, look like a 9th grade JV d-line trying to stop an NFL o-line.
We're talking about enormous pushes up the middle no one has stopped consistently even though there have been some pretty badass d-lines that should've been able to stop or at least slow things down. It's understandable that with Mason you're gonna get some big runs and he's gonna burn you up on the edge every now and then. But the up the gut consistency and hole made by that line is almost too good to believe.
It would be more believable if they had a pass game but without one it's unreal.
It's because on every run play Auburn threatens the speed sweep with a WR, they threaten the read option (whether or not the play is actually a read, they run it like it is a read) and they threaten the dive/counter. Toss in the little lateral/pass play by Marshall as he is rolling out of the pocket and that is 5 possible directions for the ball to go in on almost EVERY play. And the defense is trying to keep track of this down after down after down and all they have is an Oline who is just constant engage and run over, engage and run over, engage and run over.
With good athletes making smart decisions on the options it becomes damn hard to keep up with in a hurry.
Oh yeah and when they break a big play or a first down? HUNH time.
This post was edited on 12/8/13 at 10:30 pm
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Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:16 pm to AUin02
Quality thread.
Some posters I gave a clap.
Some posters I laughed at.
Some posters I gave the finger.
Some posters I gave a "frick you".
Quality thread. Would read again.
Some posters I gave a clap.
Some posters I laughed at.
Some posters I gave the finger.
Some posters I gave a "frick you".
Quality thread. Would read again.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:18 pm to BuccWildBammer
Haha, reminds me of Saban begging for rule changes to outlaw the HUNH in the offseason. Pathetic.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:20 pm to antibarner
by antiboner
your meltdown has been extremely entertaining along with the Uga meltdown forum.
that said: Tuscaloosa News: NCAA Officials review of Auburns touchdown pass that tied the game.
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Marshall threw the pass legally. Jay Prosch an eligible receiver being 5 yards downfield blocking while the ball was being thrown was not.
There was an Olineman at least 4 yards downfield and running forward when the ball was released. I wish someone had a still pic of the moment the ball was released.
Nice tackle on that play by Robinson too.
your meltdown has been extremely entertaining along with the Uga meltdown forum.
that said: Tuscaloosa News: NCAA Officials review of Auburns touchdown pass that tied the game.
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der Rule 7, Article 10 of the NCAA football rules manual, ineligible receivers downfield on a pass play can result in a penalty, although linemen can block downfield on a running play.
The issue is how far downfield they progressed before Marshall released the pass.
“No originally ineligible receiver shall be or have been more than 3 yards beyond the neutral zone until a legal forward pass that crosses the neutral zone has been thrown,” Shaw said. “The key word is thrown — it is where the players are when the pass is released.”
None of the Auburn linemen are past the 3-yard zone in a screen shot that has been circulated online among Alabama fans.
As long as those blockers players meet a specific criteria, they are also not guilty of pass interference, according to Shaw.
This post was edited on 12/8/13 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:24 pm to N97883
Jay Prosch was an ELIGIBLE receiver 5 yards downfield blocking..the SEC did not address my point and that has been repeatedly mentioned.
Offensive Pass Interference.
Offensive Pass Interference.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:46 pm to antibarner
define offensive pass interference for us.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:48 pm to antibarner
Man you're fricking stupid.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:55 pm to antibarner
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Jay Prosch was an ELIGIBLE receiver 5 yards downfield blocking
That's called a pick play. You gumps should be very educated about pick plays. 19 out of every 20 passing plays by bama is a pick play.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:55 pm to N97883
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define offensive pass interference for us.
3 specific cases detailed in the current NCAA rulebook (from page 41):
IV. At the snap, A88 is on the line of scrimmage 10 yards from the tackle
position and A44 is in the backfield, four yards to his inside. Just before
the Team A passer releases the ball, A88 contacts B1 five yards beyond
the neutral zone. The pass is thrown to A44, who has moved in front and
to the outside of the spot where A88 had contacted B1. RULING: Team
A foul, offensive pass interference. Penalty—15 yards from the previous
spot.
V.. Before the ball is thrown, wide receiver A88 moves four yards downfield
directly toward and in front of the defender, B1. At this spot, B1 pushes
A88, who then uses his hands to contact B1. RULING: Team A foul,
offensive pass interference, if the legal forward pass is beyond the
neutral zone. Penalty—15 yards from the previous spot.
VI. Before the ball is thrown, wide receiver A88 slants to the inside where
linebacker B1 attempts to block him. A88 uses his hands to shove B1
away. RULING: Team A foul, offensive pass interference, if the legal
forward pass crosses the neutral zone. If B1’s initial contact was below
the waist and beyond the neutral zone, Team B also has fouled and the
live-ball fouls offset.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:56 pm to N97883
I guess I'll just have to define it...
Illegal Contact and Pass Interference ARTICLE 8. a. During a down in which a legal forward pass crosses the neutral zone, illegal contact by Team A and Team B players is prohibited from the time the ball is snapped until it is touched by any player or an official (A.R. 7-3-8-II).
b. Offensive pass interference by a Team A player beyond the neutral zone during a legal forward pass play in which a forward pass crosses the neutral zone is contact that interferes with a Team B eligible player. It is the responsibility of the offensive player to avoid the opponents.
It is not offensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-IV, V, X, XV and XVI):
1. When, after the snap, a Team A ineligible player immediately charges and contacts an opponent at a point not more than one yard beyond the neutral zone and does not continue the contact more than three yards beyond the neutral zone.
2. When two or more eligible players are making a simultaneous and bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass. Eligible players of either team have equal rights to the ball (A.R. 7-3-8-IX).
3. When the pass is in flight and two or more eligible players are in the area where they might receive or intercept the pass and an offensive player in that area impedes an opponent, and the pass is not catchable.
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where was JP and the Bama defender he was blocking when the ball is thrown?
Illegal Contact and Pass Interference ARTICLE 8. a. During a down in which a legal forward pass crosses the neutral zone, illegal contact by Team A and Team B players is prohibited from the time the ball is snapped until it is touched by any player or an official (A.R. 7-3-8-II).
b. Offensive pass interference by a Team A player beyond the neutral zone during a legal forward pass play in which a forward pass crosses the neutral zone is contact that interferes with a Team B eligible player. It is the responsibility of the offensive player to avoid the opponents.
It is not offensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-IV, V, X, XV and XVI):
1. When, after the snap, a Team A ineligible player immediately charges and contacts an opponent at a point not more than one yard beyond the neutral zone and does not continue the contact more than three yards beyond the neutral zone.
2. When two or more eligible players are making a simultaneous and bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass. Eligible players of either team have equal rights to the ball (A.R. 7-3-8-IX).
3. When the pass is in flight and two or more eligible players are in the area where they might receive or intercept the pass and an offensive player in that area impedes an opponent, and the pass is not catchable.
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where was JP and the Bama defender he was blocking when the ball is thrown?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 11:58 pm to antibarner
Holy frick, The Melt Day 10
Posted on 12/9/13 at 12:16 am to omegadown3
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3 specific cases detailed in the current NCAA rulebook (from page 41):
Those are A.R.'s....
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:04 am to N97883
I'm really failing to see why anti is being hated on so much. We all know what a good melt looks like. The guy has been calm as hell in voicing his opinion. People calling him out are literally retards who don't have the intelligence to bash him in any other way than.."LOLOLOL anti you dumb look at you melt you stupid and pathetic."
He's not bitching about some random holding call in the middle of the game. He's not even blaming the loss on the play. From what I see he's bringing up an action that could be completely illegal. Not a tug of a jersey when a guy gets beat. A designed play that is literally illegal. I didn't see it. Obviously no Auburn fans saw it. He's just addressing a type of play. The guy isn't melting.
He's not bitching about some random holding call in the middle of the game. He's not even blaming the loss on the play. From what I see he's bringing up an action that could be completely illegal. Not a tug of a jersey when a guy gets beat. A designed play that is literally illegal. I didn't see it. Obviously no Auburn fans saw it. He's just addressing a type of play. The guy isn't melting.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:08 am to ReauxlTide222
Yes he is
For over a week everyone has been asking for a screenshot or picture that shows Prosch blocking illegally downfield past 3 yards...he claims it happened but he saw an angle no one else has seen?
For over a week everyone has been asking for a screenshot or picture that shows Prosch blocking illegally downfield past 3 yards...he claims it happened but he saw an angle no one else has seen?
Posted on 12/9/13 at 1:29 am to beaver
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For over a week everyone has been asking for a screenshot or picture that shows Prosch blocking illegally downfield past 3 yards...he claims it happened but he saw an angle no one else has seen?
I know he hasn't shown the proof. Just like yall, I haven't seen exactly what he's talking about. He's still not melting or making THAT big a deal about it. He had his thread. Voiced his opinion. And is sticking to it. From what I've seen he isn't flipping out about it or degrading people or Auburn for even running the damn play. But Auburn fans are having a field day with him and his opinion. Which is fine. But it's really showing the lack of intelligence some if y'all possess.
He's low hanging fruit due to Auburn winning the game. We get it. If magically tmrw there was a picture of exactly what he's talking about I'd guess he'd say "see, this is what I'm talking about." While most if y'all would say "you still lost you pussy!!!"
He isn't disputing the game. Just some gray area in something he thinks he saw.
This post was edited on 12/9/13 at 1:32 am
Posted on 12/9/13 at 7:57 am to MrAUTigers
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That's called a pick play. You gumps should be very educated about pick plays. 19 out of every 20 passing plays by bama is a pick play.
Well. Go back to the 2009 IB in Auburn where Alabama had the long scoring drive at the end of the game to win.
On a 3rd and 3, Bama's Maze sets a pick on Auburn's LB
Result: Greg McElroy pass complete to Julio Jones for 9 yards to the Alab 37 for a 1ST down.
Now 3rd and 5, another Alabama pick play this time in the middle of the field by the Bama TE...
Greg McElroy pass complete to Julio Jones for 6 yards to the Alab 48 for a 1ST down. Alabama would continue to move the ball down the field and score and win the game 26 to 21. The drive had 15 plays, 79 yards and took 7 minutes off the clock at the end of the game.
On that drive Alabama executed two pick plays on 3rd downs that resulted in 2 first downs. The two plays gained 15 of the 79 yards in the drive.
The pick plays were never called and cleared out space right where the ball was thrown.
I would think this comes into play:
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3 specific cases detailed in the current NCAA rulebook (from page 41): IV. At the snap, A88 is on the line of scrimmage 10 yards from the tackle position and A44 is in the backfield, four yards to his inside. Just before the Team A passer releases the ball, A88 contacts B1 five yards beyond the neutral zone. The pass is thrown to A44, who has moved in front and to the outside of the spot where A88 had contacted B1. RULING: Team A foul, offensive pass interference. Penalty—15 yards from the previous spot.
A 15 yarder would have ended the drive for Alabama and Auburn would've probably won the IB 2009 although we'd never know. If Auburn had won then Alabama wouldn't have gone to the BCS NCG where as luck had it the Texas QB went down at the beginning of the game paving the way for their first BCS NCG. Oh yes, I'm trolling now!
But back to the point of the 2013 IB. 1st and 10 from the Alabama 40 with 42 seconds left. Auburn hikes the ball, Prosch runs forward and then all you can see is his feet on the CBS replay but he's somewhere around the 39-36 yard line. Marshall throws the ball from the 40.25 to the 25 yard line to a wide open Coates. Both Alabama defenders are 10 yards away from Coates on the 35 near Marshall who is schooling them. Prosch is nowhere to be found and didn't pick either player off to make Coates that wide open. It was just a failure on one of Bama's two defenders to cover Coates.
Result,I believe, if I remember correctly, was... a touchdown.
This post was edited on 12/9/13 at 8:01 am
Posted on 12/9/13 at 8:00 am to Bench McElroy
This is a joke, right? You name teams that get away with holding and don't name the Champion of All Time? Gotta be a joke!
Posted on 12/9/13 at 8:10 am to antibarner
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Jay Prosch was an ELIGIBLE receiver 5 yards downfield blocking
nope
Melt Day 10!
Posted on 12/9/13 at 8:10 am to Scoreboard
This thread was just an incredible way to start my day. Thank you Bama fans, this has been wonderful.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 8:15 am to Bench McElroy
An Alabama fan bitching about another team getting away with holding calls...
Well, I've seen it all now...
Well, I've seen it all now...
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