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Croom owned Bama. Why didn't he succeed more at MSU?

Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:47 pm
Posted by stomp
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Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:47 pm
Seems like he was building a solid program. Why didn't he survive the first rough patch?
Posted by CoastTrashRebel
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:52 pm to
Nothing prosperious can survive in Starkville, Mississippi unfortunately
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68513 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:56 pm to
For once in his career, Ellis Johnson was the reason for a team's success.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:59 pm to
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Croom owned Bama


He was 2-3 against Alabama. I wouldn't call that "owning."

Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:59 pm to
I guess you could say 2-3 is owning Alabama. That is far better than most manage....
Posted by msuman2
Member since Jul 2010
1533 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:00 pm to
Croom had one winning season out of five.
All five seasons his offense ranked above 100.

3-8, 3-8, 3-9, 8-5, 4-8 = 21-38

Never forget "The Maine"
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This post was edited on 2/22/16 at 11:58 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33943 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:08 pm to
Mississippi State finished 8-5 in 2007 on the backs of a defense that finished the season ranked 21st in total defense. Meanwhile, the offense was a complete mess ranking #113 in total offense. Ellis Johnson was pissed off about the defense having to carry the entire load for the team to be successful. So he wanted Croom to fire the OC Woody McCorvey. So what does Croom decide to do? Not only does Croom decide to keep McCorvey, he persuades the Mississippi State AD to give him a raise. Johnson is fed up and leaves Mississippi State for South Carolina. And guess what happens? The offense is still horrible while the defense takes a step back due to being on the field all the time and Croom gets canned. With decisions like that, no wonder Croom has never advanced past a NFL RB coaches job after leaving Mississippi State.
Posted by Forgottenrebel
Member since Sep 2015
283 posts
Posted on 2/22/16 at 11:34 pm to
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Why didn't he survive the first rough patch?


His entire tenure was a rough patch minus the one eight win season. It was obvious the team had quit on him in his last Egg Bowl. They made the right move getting rid of him.
Posted by BobMayonnaise
Memphis
Member since Feb 2009
1372 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:11 am to
Yeah, he admitted that he would have to be fired before he would get rid of any of his assistant coaches. Everyone was like, OK, if you say so Sylvester, with your crazy sideways baseball cap.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
24937 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:28 am to
His refusal to hire a good offensive coordinator did him in. If he had done that he would have been fairly successful.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:39 am to
He ran a clean program.
Posted by MullenBoys
In the minds of Ole Miss fans
Member since Apr 2014
13673 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 6:41 am to
Everyone with half a brain realized Woody McCorvey was a terrible OC. The problem with Croom was that he was too loyal to his coaches. I can remember well people saying McCorvey would eventually cost Croom his job and it did. Croom can blame anything or anyone he wants but the fact is Woody was a total disaster and Croom refused to see it. Worse offense we ever had.
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Member since Nov 2004
15478 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 6:51 am to
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Nothing prosperious can survive in Starkville, Mississippi unfortunately


"Prosperious". I like that word.
Posted by Pinche Cabron
TN
Member since Nov 2015
3639 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 7:15 am to
I think his loyalty was tied to his experience with CPB and the disloyalty he (Croom) felt from Bama. Croom was of a dying breed that failed to recognize the change in college football
Posted by Emanonion
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 7:18 am to
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He ran a clean program.


He sent a letter of intent to a guy that was in jail for breaking his ex girlfriends arm and breaking in the house.
Posted by Stud Bud
MS But travel all over the country
Member since Sep 2015
6958 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 7:20 am to
C'mon now.

Would Croom "own" Bama if Saban was there at the same time?

Totally different animal.
Posted by Roses of Crimson
Sweet home Ala-bam
Member since Nov 2014
1631 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 7:30 am to
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Croom owned Bama. Why didn't he succeed more at MSU?(Posted on 2/22/16 at 10:47 pm)
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Seems like he was building a solid program. Why didn't he survive the first rough patch?


Croom didn't own Bama. He was competetive and pulled off a couple wins against Bama teams with comparable talent when the sanctions were hitting us the hardest but he didn't own anything.
Posted by Slippery Slope
Hail Satan
Member since Nov 2010
20346 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 7:51 am to
After the 3-2 Auburn game, he said something to the effect of "our defense just didn't make enough plays."
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 8:05 am to
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C'mon now.

Would Croom "own" Bama if Saban was there at the same time?

Totally different animal.



Well, to be completely accurate, he faced Shula 3 times and Saban twice.

He was 1-2 against Shula but 1-1 against Saban......
Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
59527 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 8:33 am to
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Seems like he was building a solid program. Why didn't he survive the first rough patch?

Are you high?

As bad as State has been in their history of football, the Croom era was the worst. Maybe a mid 60's run in Diamondawgs' days is up there. <---to DD.
think about that for a moment.

Croom looked forward to the Bama game only And let it be known. Those State teams fed off that. You could tell how they played against Bama. We're just lucky those two games came at the end of Shula and early Saban.

I could go on and on about his coaching, his recruiting, he field decisions, his preparations, and on and on. For someone with an NFL offensive background, it was downright dreadful. Square peg round hole game after game. Ellis Johnson saved his arse. He was so out of his element with recruiting.

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