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Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:14 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Count 131: "Superior research resources"
Is this true or just more Big Ten bullshite?
Is this true or just more Big Ten bullshite?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:16 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Maryland has no room to crow about academic progress either, as Mark Turgeon is about to drive them into probation.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:17 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I think half the posts in this thread are from you. 
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:18 pm to BuckeyeFan87
Wait until Aggressor chimes in.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:18 pm to BuckeyeFan87
Sorry, running commentary.
After reading this, I think it's a win-win for everyone here no matter the result.
If the ACC wins, while it may deny the SEC access to Virginia, UNC, etc. it cripples an arrogant school and harms the Big Ten.
If Maryland wins, it's open season on the actual jewels of the ACC.
After reading this, I think it's a win-win for everyone here no matter the result.
If the ACC wins, while it may deny the SEC access to Virginia, UNC, etc. it cripples an arrogant school and harms the Big Ten.
If Maryland wins, it's open season on the actual jewels of the ACC.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:19 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Is this true or just more Big Ten bullshite?
It is true. They are talking about the CIC.
LINK
It helps bring in big research bucks. But it has nothing to do with athletics.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:20 pm to BuckeyeFan87
I'm sure they are embellishing the "dumbassery" of the SEC to help further their case somehow, but there is definitely some embellishing. As though Maryland or the Big-10 don't put a priority on football.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:24 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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If Maryland wins, it's open season on the actual jewels of the ACC.
Maryland left before the GOR
I doubt the result of their counter claim devalues that as a barrier to more schools leaving. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:27 pm to molsusports
If it renders the $50 Million+ exit fee invalid and illegal...
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:27 pm to molsusports
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I doubt the result of their counter claim devalues that as a barrier to more schools leaving
It could certainly decrease the exit fee. Much like in the Big 12 where each team was supposed to pay $20+ million but actually paid half of that. I would assume the court could rule the old fee ($20 mil or so) applies.
But you are correct the GOR remains as the big barrier.
To take down the GOR someone would have to challenge the GOR. The Big 12, PAC and B1G all have GORs they depend on so they won't do it. Plus GORs have far more legal history defending them- they are used in many places in the entertainment industry.
So basically it is the SEC's move for a decade.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:29 pm to molsusports
The GOR is only good as long as the majority of the conference wants to stay put, or has no other choice.
If the Big 10, Big XII, and SEC all decide that they are going to get to 16 members by poaching from the ACC, the conference will simply disband, and no one will pay a dime.
If the Big 10, Big XII, and SEC all decide that they are going to get to 16 members by poaching from the ACC, the conference will simply disband, and no one will pay a dime.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:30 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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A&M was ahead of Maryland
Dick-rider, official mascot of the SEC and SEC fans everywhere.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:33 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
Was unaware you cold Johnson ride your own school. 
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:33 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Come on ride dat dick, and ride it! Choo-choo!
Dick-rider, official mascot of the SEC and SEC fans everywhere.
When last I checked, being a graduate of the school you're complementing nullifies any claims of "dick riding".
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:40 pm to bamawriter
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If the Big 10, Big XII, and SEC all decide that they are going to get to 16 members by poaching from the ACC, the conference will simply disband, and no one will pay a dime.
That is a good point that applies equally to the Big 12 or the ACC.
The problem is EVERY program would need to find a home. Since no one is lining up to take the Wake Forests and KSUs of the world conference realignment is dead for a decade.
In a decade some bigger programs might be willing to pay out their GORs to leave. So for example a Big 12 teams wants to leave with three years left on the GOR, then that would be 3x 24 million a year= $72 million.
But the $72 million would be the starting point negotiations, so you half that (like so many exit fees) and you have a cost that a big program could handle.
The trick is the closer the GOR comes to ending, the weaker it is. Right now they are all at max strength. Even Texas couldn't afford a $250+ million exit fee...
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:41 pm to cardboardboxer
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Since no one is lining up to take the Wake Forests
Big Ten would take them in a heartbeat. They love shitty football there.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:51 pm to cardboardboxer
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The problem is EVERY program would need to find a home. Since no one is lining up to take the Wake Forests and KSUs of the world conference realignment is dead for a decade
Not necessarily. If 10 members of the ACC come to agreements to join new conferences, then 10 out of 14 votes will be more than enough to negate the GOR. No one will give a crap what happens to Wake, or any of the other dwarves left out.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 4:59 pm to bamawriter
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Not necessarily. If 10 members of the ACC come to agreements to join new conferences, then 10 out of 14 votes will be more than enough to negate the GOR. No one will give a crap what happens to Wake, or any of the other dwarves left out.
10 out of 14 is enough to disband the conference, but not enough to end the GOR.
That is the whole point of the GOR- it locks the rights together. If even one program still remains they could sue all the other programs for the remaining value of that GOR.
The courts WOULD give a crap when the Wakes and Baylors sue the other programs using the GOR as a basis. That is why the GOR is such an effective set of handcuffs. It gives the weakest programs a ton of leverage.
In order for a GOR to go away, basically every program in a conference would have to waive their right to sue. The only way that happens is if each has a home, or the entire GOR is thrown out in court.
That is very unlikely to happen as every conference but the SEC uses a GOR as a means to protect the product they sell to media companies. In fact I assume the SEC will have a year-to-year GOR once the SEC Network launches. ESPN is gonna demand that the lineup doesn't change midseason.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 1/14/14 at 5:09 pm to cardboardboxer
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10 out of 14 is enough to disband the conference, but not enough to end the GOR.
That is the whole point of the GOR- it locks the rights together. If even one program still remains they could sue all the other programs for the remaining value of that GOR.
I'm not a lawyer, so I'll concede that you could be correct. But...
Reading the language of the ACC's GOR, it appears that the rights are owned by the conference, not the individual members. So, I would think that if there's no conference, then the ownership is nullified, along with any other agreements the membership collectively signed. FSU didn't sign away their media rights to 13 other members, they signed them away to the conference.
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