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re: conversation last night about cupcake games-curious what tRant thinks
Posted on 10/2/15 at 9:57 am to therick711
Posted on 10/2/15 at 9:57 am to therick711
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After Kevin Everett, I think the NFL should have stepped in and stopped the Bills from playing the Broncos. It isn't worth it.
Not even remotely close to the same scenario, and I'm a little shocked that you'd even try to make such a comparison.
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Posted on 10/2/15 at 9:58 am to cas4t
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Not even remotely close to the same scenario, and I'm a little shocked that you'd even try to make such a comparison.
Do tell.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:04 am to therick711
Well one is a professional sport in which you are paid millions of dollars to play. It's also the closest thing you can get to an even playing field-across the board.
EMU may be a bad example here, as they are FBS. But let's take the FCS games as an example. Can you really compare an NFL game to an FCS school vs LSU?
EMU may be a bad example here, as they are FBS. But let's take the FCS games as an example. Can you really compare an NFL game to an FCS school vs LSU?
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:17 am to TheCheshireHog
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They get more than a "few hundred thousand bucks" and that payday is definitely worth it to them. Some of these FCS schools are going to have some money issues if the FBS ever stops playing them.
This. There's no telling what could be cut by losing that money.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:20 am to cas4t
Does simply being less athletic make one more likely to receive a serious spinal injury? Those happen on freak hits that really have nothing to do with how hard you get hit or how skilled you are.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:20 am to cas4t
I never said Georgia was a cupcake game...
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:26 am to cas4t
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Well one is a professional sport in which you are paid millions of dollars to play. It's also the closest thing you can get to an even playing field-across the board.
You just made my exact point about why this line of thinking doesn't make sense. These types of injuries happen when the teams are "the closest thing you can get to an even playing field-across the board." I couldn't have explained it to you better myself. Thanks.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 10:27 am
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:29 am to cas4t
The Southern player hit a kicker. That was just crappy luck and an unfortunate time to put his head down.
Our kicker isn't as big as D3 athletes, so that incident shouldn't have any influence on this conversation.
Our kicker isn't as big as D3 athletes, so that incident shouldn't have any influence on this conversation.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:30 am to Dawgsontop34
Please tell me the rules, cupcake.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:31 am to cas4t
One of the schools, either last week or the week before, got $1 million to play the game against the P5 opponent.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:36 am to therick711
That doesn't prove your point at all. I've agreed already that accidents happen in football. It's a dangerous sport. The point made is that an FCS player is at more risk of getting his head knocked off when he's facing off against a former 5 star middle linebacker who will soon be in the NFL.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:12 am to cas4t
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That doesn't prove your point at all. I've agreed already that accidents happen in football. It's a dangerous sport. The point made is that an FCS player is at more risk of getting his head knocked off when he's facing off against a former 5 star middle linebacker who will soon be in the NFL.
Actually, it does. You have offered no evidence that there is greater risk. It is the very definition of begging the question. Kevin Everett, among others, proves that equally talented athletes still get injured playing football. So, in short, I have shown that skill level doesn't matter, you have provided no evidence in support of your assertion, I have the ground, you are asking for the change and, therefore, have the burden of proof. Consequently, my point is supported, and yours isn't.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:14 am to nebraskafaninwi
I think it benefits both schools.
These programs don't make athletic revenue really. Most are in the negative. The pay to play games help them put an athletic program together. Removing these games would HURT smaller schools far more than help.
These programs don't make athletic revenue really. Most are in the negative. The pay to play games help them put an athletic program together. Removing these games would HURT smaller schools far more than help.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:15 am to therick711
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You have offered no evidence that there is greater risk.
I don't have the statistics, and I'm not sure such a study exists. I used common sense. Bigger and faster typically are able to hurt the smaller and weaker. Do you disagree?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:19 am to cas4t
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I don't have the statistics, and I'm not sure such a study exists. I used common sense. Bigger and faster typically are able to hurt the smaller and weaker. Do you disagree?
There is no study that shows that talent disparity or even size disparity increases the chance of spinal injuries in a football games. Think about it. Running backs are smaller than linemen and have the ball and are contacted routinely. Yet their incidence of spinal injury is not disproportional to the other non-kicking positions. The conclusion is that there does not appear to be any correlation between size disparity and increased risk of spinal injury. In terms of talent gaps, there are no studies that show spinal injuries increase as talent disparities increase. If anything, those games are probably lower impact since the more talented team is likely employing a strategy to reduce injuries and risky play calls.
You can't just make random assertions and act like they are unassailable. You have no evidence for these statements either, my man.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 11:27 am
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:27 am to cas4t
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and believes it unfair to these small schools to have to get abused by power 5 schools
Small schools need a shot at the big guys otherwise we would've never heard of schools like Boise St or ULM or any other team that has won against the P5.
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LSU plays EMU, and they are terrible. Like, God awful terrible. They are small and have below average athletes, in comparison to LSU.
Except they aren't. Their Dline has guys that are 6'4 and 6'5 although a bit under weight compared to our line. Their QB is tall @ 6'7. I understand the argument but teams like EMU have upset P5 schools in the past.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:28 am to therick711
This has nothing to do with spinal injuries and more to do with FCS schools sending their players out to get slaughtered on the scoreboard, and potentially on the field. The Southern injury was just something that sparked conversation last night.
I'll concede that this is a good point though.
I agree with this. I think most players for larger schools likely view this as a game they know they'll win, and one they want to leave healthy.
I don't think you understand this word. I gave an opinion in the OP and was looking for other's opinions. I've yet to state anything as fact and have also made it pretty clear that I only partially agreed with my friend's views. You also attempted, unsuccessfully, to shift the narrative to spinal injuries, when it was obvious that was not the point of the thread.
See?
I don't have the same issue as him. Do I think they have a better chance at getting hurt playing a team like Bama? Yes. Where I agreed with my friend was that these FCS schools are sending the pigs out to get slaughtered for a price.
I'll concede that this is a good point though.
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If anything, those games are probably lower impact since the more talented team is likely employing a strategy to reduce injuries and risky play calls.
I agree with this. I think most players for larger schools likely view this as a game they know they'll win, and one they want to leave healthy.
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You can't just make random assertions and act like they are unassailable
I don't think you understand this word. I gave an opinion in the OP and was looking for other's opinions. I've yet to state anything as fact and have also made it pretty clear that I only partially agreed with my friend's views. You also attempted, unsuccessfully, to shift the narrative to spinal injuries, when it was obvious that was not the point of the thread.
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I agree with my friend to an extent
See?
I don't have the same issue as him. Do I think they have a better chance at getting hurt playing a team like Bama? Yes. Where I agreed with my friend was that these FCS schools are sending the pigs out to get slaughtered for a price.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 11:33 am
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:29 am to idlewatcher
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Except they aren't. Their Dline has guys that are 6'4 and 6'5 although a bit under weight compared to our line. Their QB is tall @ 6'7. I understand the argument but teams like EMU have upset P5 schools in the past.
EMU was a bad example, as the conversation last night was more about FCS schools. But EMU is in fact terrible.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:31 am to cas4t
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I don't think you understand this word. I gave an opinion in the OP and was looking for other's opinions. I've yet to state anything as fact. You also attempted, unsuccessfully, to shift the narrative to spinal injuries, when it was obvious that was not the point of the thread.
I was responding to this:
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I used common sense. Bigger and faster typically are able to hurt the smaller and weaker. Do you disagree?
You implied very strongly by saying it takes "common sense" that talent or size disparities result in more injuries. That is an assertion. You presented that as fact and implied by your presentation that it would be absurd to disagree. Now it is the written word, so intent is tough, but that was my thought process on the "assertion" issue. If it wasn't intended to be taken that way, I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion in my response.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:34 am to cas4t
These games are horrible.
I think every game should be against a P5 member except for one cupcake a year, which still should be FBS.
I think every game should be against a P5 member except for one cupcake a year, which still should be FBS.
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