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re: Comparing Bear Bryant and Nick Saban's first 10 seasons at Alabama
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:07 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:07 pm to lsupride87
quote:As a matter of fact, Bum Phillips said it of Coach Bryant..Bum knew his abilities, as did every other coach who had to coach against him.....but what do they know, compared to you.....
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Bryant didn't recruit high end NFL talent to Alabama on a yearly basis. He was one of those coaches who could win with his and then turn around and win with yours.
How this myth ever began.......
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Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:09 pm to RollTide1987
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Bryant didn't recruit high end NFL talent to Alabama on a yearly basis
So? Recruiting is part of the job
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:11 pm to jvilletiger25
quote:So every coach that beat Auburn like a rented mule is a cheater....I see.
So Saban is a better cheater than the Bahr. That is impressive.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:12 pm to RollTide1987
Bryant took over a program that had gone 3-24-2 the previous 3 seasons.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:14 pm to craigbiggio
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So? Recruiting is part of the job
It is. But it's far easier to coach a five star player to his full potential than it is a two or three star. Bryant proved he could do both. Because for every Joe Namath he signed there was also a Pat Trammel.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:That's the point that most folks don't realize.
Bryant took over a program that had gone 3-24-2 the previous 3 seasons.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:15 pm to coachcrisp
Saban took over a mid-level talent yet stable program with good facilities and total commitment to winning. Bryant took over a total dumpster fire.
Both are awesome, and I can't imagine taking anyone over Saban, but the situations weren't the same.
Both are awesome, and I can't imagine taking anyone over Saban, but the situations weren't the same.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:18 pm to RollTide1987
To make a fair comparison we would need the number of new cars purchased for recruits under each coach.
We would also need the payroll for Bear's players adjusted to 2017 dollars to compare to the amount Saban's players are paid.
We would also need the payroll for Bear's players adjusted to 2017 dollars to compare to the amount Saban's players are paid.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987
quote:And about 8 others guys for each position on scholarship......
Because for every Joe Namath he signed there was also a Pat Trammel.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:20 pm to atlau
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The Bear wasn't able to give away Dodge Chargers.
The hell he didn't.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:29 pm to lsupride87
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And about 8 others guys for each position on scholarship......
So Alabama was the only school that was allowed to do this? I'm pretty sure every school in the SEC had the same advantage.
Like Saban in the present day, Bryant was just better at recruiting.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:30 pm to RollTide1987
quote:I am not saying he cheated. But no, not every school had the same advantage. It increased the advantage of the bigger programs who spent more money. There is a reason why they changed the rules. Only a few schools were competing for championships.
So Alabama was the only school that was allowed to do this? I'm pretty sure every school in the SEC had the same advantage.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:31 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Incorrect. Saban is recruiting against other programs and coaches who are spending the same amount of money, and making the same amount of money, and getting the same exposure. That wasnt true in Bears day
Like Saban in the present day, Bryant was just better at recruiting.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:36 pm to lsupride87
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Saban is recruiting against other programs and coaches who are spending the same amount of money, and making the same amount of money, and getting the same exposure. That wasnt true in Bears day
If true, there was nothing stopping those schools from matching Alabama's football budget.
And I'm pretty sure schools like USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and Michigan were all spending at the same amount Alabama was in those days.
This post was edited on 5/2/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:37 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Never said there wasnt. It just didnt happen. There were only a few programs that were all in on football. It is hard to believe maybe, but it just wasnt even 1/1000th as big of deal back then to win an NCAA title in football.
If true, there was nothing stopping those schools from matching Alabama's football budget.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:38 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Those schools yes. Now compare that with the number of schools today that are spending hand over fist on football......
And I'm pretty sure schools like USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and Michigan were all spending at the same amount Alabama was in those days.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:39 pm to lsupride87
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It is hard to believe maybe, but it just wasnt even 1/1000th as big of deal back then to win an NCAA title in football.
Yeah, not buying that at all. Winning was everything to the schools who won in those days. The only reason why it seems that way is because ESPN didn't exist in the 60s and for much of the 70s.
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:39 pm to lsupride87
Also,just want to let you know how much it sucks to keep knighting for Saban 
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:40 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Go look at the money paid for facilities, to coaches, for tv rights, advertisements etc etc
Yeah, not buying that at all. Winning was everything to the schools who won in those days. The only reason why it seems that way is because ESPN didn't exist in the 60s and for much of the 70s.
It isn't in the same stratosphere as today
Posted on 5/2/17 at 3:44 pm to lsupride87
Yea, there is no debate that smaller schools are much closer to being "equal" monetarily than they were back then.
It could also be argued that hasn't leveled the playing field at all in terms of who can realistically expect to win a championship.
It could also be argued that hasn't leveled the playing field at all in terms of who can realistically expect to win a championship.
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